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  • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

    @benroyce Just a note: I do like your empowering anger, your thoughts and engagement, and your patience here.
    People like you give me hope for a change.

    @davevolek@mastodon.social @eswag @Pepijn

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    #50

    @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

    thank you

    i'm simply a hothead and a loudmouth

    which is not a virtue

    but it might be something like a virtue in a shit world such as it is

    any one who isn't angry isn't paying attention. so therefore all there is that i'm doing of any value is articulating anger. the tragedy would be is that is all i do. so the idea is to do that anger articulating *effectively*: actually change things

    let's see not only how i can do that, but how all of us can do that

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    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

      @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

      oh yeah, parties suck

      unfortunately they are real

      merely saying "there shouldn't be political parties" sounds good. and is true. but it doesn't change a damn thing

      so we have to work with the shit we got

      it's like saying "war is bad"

      no shit

      but when there's russians marching tanks over your border, that sentiment doesn't mean much. you have to fight them

      so we have to engage on political parties. because it's great? no. because it is what it is

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      #51

      @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn I respectfully disagree.

      As far as I can tell, parties are the storefronts where big money donors go shopping to buy corrupt politicians.

      I will not support a political party. I will support the good candidates that I trust. People - with ideas - not parties.

      There's nothing about political parties in my Constitution, and that's good enough for me.

      We may have to disagree about this.

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      • grumble209@kolektiva.socialG grumble209@kolektiva.social

        @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn I respectfully disagree.

        As far as I can tell, parties are the storefronts where big money donors go shopping to buy corrupt politicians.

        I will not support a political party. I will support the good candidates that I trust. People - with ideas - not parties.

        There's nothing about political parties in my Constitution, and that's good enough for me.

        We may have to disagree about this.

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        #52

        @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

        but we don't disagree

        i agree with you 100%

        you say you'll support good candidates

        great

        me too

        so when i say "take over the democratic party" what am i really saying?

        getting good candidates forward

        that the vehicle is a party is merely a rational tactic, it isn't the destruction of all that is good in the world

        and if the candidates are good enough, and we get ranked choice voting from them, we can start talking about killing political parties

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        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

          @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

          thank you

          i'm simply a hothead and a loudmouth

          which is not a virtue

          but it might be something like a virtue in a shit world such as it is

          any one who isn't angry isn't paying attention. so therefore all there is that i'm doing of any value is articulating anger. the tragedy would be is that is all i do. so the idea is to do that anger articulating *effectively*: actually change things

          let's see not only how i can do that, but how all of us can do that

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          #53

          @benroyce @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

          I certainly appreciate it. In a world of compromises and prevarications, it's good to see focus and determination to push through the roadblocks.

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          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

            @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

            thank you

            i'm simply a hothead and a loudmouth

            which is not a virtue

            but it might be something like a virtue in a shit world such as it is

            any one who isn't angry isn't paying attention. so therefore all there is that i'm doing of any value is articulating anger. the tragedy would be is that is all i do. so the idea is to do that anger articulating *effectively*: actually change things

            let's see not only how i can do that, but how all of us can do that

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            #54

            @benroyce Despite having such strong emotions, you argue very objectively, thoughtfully and clearly.
            I think anger is a very human emotion and can be very helpful for activism: if you don't get stuck in it, but *transform* it into creativity and, above all, energy. And you, and all of us will need a lot of energy for that long way. (BTW, I'm too angry)

            @eswag @Pepijn

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            • lordkhan@social.cologneL lordkhan@social.cologne

              @Pepijn @benroyce working for a danish/italian company I didn't have "war with the US" on my list of potential risks for 2026. As you said: there are so many positive things which used to come up thinking about the US, but now it's the opposite. It feels like a friend who betrays you.

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              #55

              @lordkhan @Pepijn @benroyce I live in the U.S. and it feels that way to me too.

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              • pepijn@mastodon.onlineP pepijn@mastodon.online

                @benroyce And I must say that I find it harder by the day to hear quotes from US citizens like "I didn't vote for him", "not my president", "not in my name" and especially: "50% of us disagree".

                I get it. And I believe people when they say that. It also doesn't mean anything to me. That's internal.

                What is external, to me as a citizen of another country, is that the USA -the country, with all the history, friendship & agreements we share- is actively threatening my country with invasion & war.

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                #56

                @Pepijn @benroyce

                If his opponents in the US don't kick out him and his cronies, we are finished. The US is so powerful, especially militarily, that even with determination we could not repel an onslaught.

                Caught between two authoritarian behemoths, the rational choice would be to have some form of stand-off alliance with the superpower which is committed to green energy and science.

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                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                  @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

                  but we don't disagree

                  i agree with you 100%

                  you say you'll support good candidates

                  great

                  me too

                  so when i say "take over the democratic party" what am i really saying?

                  getting good candidates forward

                  that the vehicle is a party is merely a rational tactic, it isn't the destruction of all that is good in the world

                  and if the candidates are good enough, and we get ranked choice voting from them, we can start talking about killing political parties

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                  #57

                  @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn It's easy to agree when the ballot has good candidates that just happen to be Democrats. But I think we'll end up disagreeing over voting for shitty Democrats vs shitty Republicans.

                  Personally, I'm getting really tired of taste-testing the shit from both candidates to pick the one that's microscopically less shitty.

                  But let's think happy thoughts and pray that the DNC won't ever again run two shitty presidential candidates without a primary like 2024.

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                  • lionelb@expressional.socialL lionelb@expressional.social

                    @Pepijn @benroyce

                    If his opponents in the US don't kick out him and his cronies, we are finished. The US is so powerful, especially militarily, that even with determination we could not repel an onslaught.

                    Caught between two authoritarian behemoths, the rational choice would be to have some form of stand-off alliance with the superpower which is committed to green energy and science.

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                    #58

                    It's a sad thing that these days there's sooo many ways to read that second paragraph.

                    > superpower which is committed to green energy and science.

                    China?

                    @lionelb @benroyce

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                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                      @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

                      but we don't disagree

                      i agree with you 100%

                      you say you'll support good candidates

                      great

                      me too

                      so when i say "take over the democratic party" what am i really saying?

                      getting good candidates forward

                      that the vehicle is a party is merely a rational tactic, it isn't the destruction of all that is good in the world

                      and if the candidates are good enough, and we get ranked choice voting from them, we can start talking about killing political parties

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                      #59

                      @benroyce @grumble209@kolektiva.social @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn ranked choice voting for the win, it works. #vote

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                      • grumble209@kolektiva.socialG grumble209@kolektiva.social

                        @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn It's easy to agree when the ballot has good candidates that just happen to be Democrats. But I think we'll end up disagreeing over voting for shitty Democrats vs shitty Republicans.

                        Personally, I'm getting really tired of taste-testing the shit from both candidates to pick the one that's microscopically less shitty.

                        But let's think happy thoughts and pray that the DNC won't ever again run two shitty presidential candidates without a primary like 2024.

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                        #60

                        @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

                        agreed, with one caveat:

                        the worst dog shit democrat is still not fascism happy MAGA

                        so even if the democrat is the most spineless chuck schumer shitbag, you act tactically, rather than sitting things out and watching us go to fascism

                        it's not a fucking romance

                        it's tactics in a game, to hold the line if not proceed to better, so you at least can go for better tomorrow, rather than putting out fires for decades

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                        • pepijn@mastodon.onlineP pepijn@mastodon.online

                          It's a sad thing that these days there's sooo many ways to read that second paragraph.

                          > superpower which is committed to green energy and science.

                          China?

                          @lionelb @benroyce

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                          #61

                          @Pepijn @benroyce

                          In the real world there is only China. The USA wants to boost global warming as rapidly as possible. China's economy is predicated on renewables.

                          The USA is actively threatening. China is a putative threat.

                          If we set aside history and shared culture, the case is there. Diplomacy is messy.

                          The sole reason to prefer the USA would be the hope that progressives there get their act together.

                          We live on a small planet. There are no magical options.

                          #USpol

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                          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                            @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

                            agreed, with one caveat:

                            the worst dog shit democrat is still not fascism happy MAGA

                            so even if the democrat is the most spineless chuck schumer shitbag, you act tactically, rather than sitting things out and watching us go to fascism

                            it's not a fucking romance

                            it's tactics in a game, to hold the line if not proceed to better, so you at least can go for better tomorrow, rather than putting out fires for decades

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                            #62

                            @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn Harris probably wouldn't have sunk a bunch of boats and murdered their sailors before kidnapping Maduro and stealing Venezuela's oil, but Harris would still have supported Israel killing and starving Palestinians just like Trump does.

                            I'm too much of a pussy to look at a starving Palestinian orphan being expelled to Africa and say - hey, you have to understand I was voting *strategically*. 🤷

                            Instead, I get really, really pissed off at the party assholes who put me in this position for the sake of the convenience of their donors.

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                            • grammasaurus@mastodon.socialG grammasaurus@mastodon.social

                              @benroyce @phl I bet I’m not the only American to just now be hearing about this. WTF?!?!

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                              #63

                              @grammasaurus @benroyce @phl
                              iirc crptome.org wrote about it ~2000.

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                              • grumble209@kolektiva.socialG grumble209@kolektiva.social

                                @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn Harris probably wouldn't have sunk a bunch of boats and murdered their sailors before kidnapping Maduro and stealing Venezuela's oil, but Harris would still have supported Israel killing and starving Palestinians just like Trump does.

                                I'm too much of a pussy to look at a starving Palestinian orphan being expelled to Africa and say - hey, you have to understand I was voting *strategically*. 🤷

                                Instead, I get really, really pissed off at the party assholes who put me in this position for the sake of the convenience of their donors.

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                                #64

                                @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

                                no argument

                                as long as you vote

                                harris sucked

                                and what is this MAGA fascism we're seeing? the same?!

                                if you don't vote, and en masse with all the other inflexible dreamers you therefore get worse, what is the fucking point?

                                better

                                or

                                worse

                                *all you ever fucking get in this world*

                                and when you choose better, you ITERATE to even better next time

                                THAT is how you improve the world

                                sitting out until perfect magically appears is impotent insanity

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                                • stevewfolds@mastodon.worldS stevewfolds@mastodon.world

                                  @grammasaurus @benroyce @phl
                                  iirc crptome.org wrote about it ~2000.

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                                  #65

                                  @stevewfolds @benroyce @phl While the world was freaking out over Y2K?

                                  (only half kidding….)

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                                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                    @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

                                    thank you

                                    i'm simply a hothead and a loudmouth

                                    which is not a virtue

                                    but it might be something like a virtue in a shit world such as it is

                                    any one who isn't angry isn't paying attention. so therefore all there is that i'm doing of any value is articulating anger. the tragedy would be is that is all i do. so the idea is to do that anger articulating *effectively*: actually change things

                                    let's see not only how i can do that, but how all of us can do that

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                                    #66

                                    @benroyce
                                    Ben, you're definitely a loudmouth, but a hothead? Your messages and replies are always eloquent and well thought through. A hothead loses control of themselves. I've never had the feeling you were not in control, even when seething, and rightfully so, with anger. Much appreciated!
                                    @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

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                                    • eetschrijver@mastodon.socialE eetschrijver@mastodon.social

                                      @benroyce
                                      Ben, you're definitely a loudmouth, but a hothead? Your messages and replies are always eloquent and well thought through. A hothead loses control of themselves. I've never had the feeling you were not in control, even when seething, and rightfully so, with anger. Much appreciated!
                                      @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

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                                      @Eetschrijver @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

                                      as a mindless contrarian, now that you've identified this line, i will do my best to cross it

                                      (just kidding, thanks GJ)

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                                      • pepijn@mastodon.onlineP pepijn@mastodon.online

                                        @benroyce And I must say that I find it harder by the day to hear quotes from US citizens like "I didn't vote for him", "not my president", "not in my name" and especially: "50% of us disagree".

                                        I get it. And I believe people when they say that. It also doesn't mean anything to me. That's internal.

                                        What is external, to me as a citizen of another country, is that the USA -the country, with all the history, friendship & agreements we share- is actively threatening my country with invasion & war.

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                                        #68

                                        @Pepijn
                                        I'd said something like this when I was on FB. Along the lines of "I'm sick of hearing these apologies. You should save that energy and GO DO SOMETHING. We don't want your apologies."

                                        People I've known IRL for ages, progressive types, wailed about how I was attacking them personally. "I've been crying for hours over your hatefulness. What do you expect me to do? I go to the protests in my Big Blue City!"

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                                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                          @Eetschrijver @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

                                          as a mindless contrarian, now that you've identified this line, i will do my best to cross it

                                          (just kidding, thanks GJ)

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                                          #69

                                          @benroyce
                                          Sure, buddy!
                                          @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

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