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  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

    @davevolek @eswag @Pepijn

    i've done political work

    are you putting forth a resume on your part working in a shit old system, exactly as you crap on mamdani for successfully working a shit old system?

    come on man

    all i'm asking you to do is not shit on mamdani

    can you just at least do that? or must we fight pointlessly

    or just ignore me and keep crapping on mamdani as you will

    i've registered my disapproval of what you said. ignore it if you want, but i think it's foolish

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    #44

    @benroyce @eswag @Pepijn

    I know little about Mamdani. I have never worked with him to know how he handles people and situations. Winning an election is not a sign of good character and capacity for governance. I've seen too many turkeys get elected, but they have a good media image.

    He could be another Obama--and this would be good. But we need to move past a political messiah fixing things for us.

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    • tcatinreality@mastodon.socialT tcatinreality@mastodon.social

      @benroyce @eswag @Pepijn

      100%

      Progressives need to take over the Democratic party

      We still need a bIg tent and need to avoid ideological battles/purity tests. But progressives need to quit screwing around and seize the lead of the only institution with any hope of pushing back MAGA

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      #45

      @TCatInReality @benroyce @eswag @Pepijn I think the rot is partisanship.

      Partisanship got us into our gerrymandered lesser-of-two-evils shitshow.

      I don't see how partisanship for an imaginary party that is spelled "d-e-m-o-c-r-a-t" but acts like lefties is going to reform jack shit.

      Burn down all parties and just vote for lefties if you like lefties. If your ballot just has assholes on it, do whatever you feel you can live with.

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      • davevolek@mastodon.socialD davevolek@mastodon.social

        @benroyce @eswag @Pepijn

        I know little about Mamdani. I have never worked with him to know how he handles people and situations. Winning an election is not a sign of good character and capacity for governance. I've seen too many turkeys get elected, but they have a good media image.

        He could be another Obama--and this would be good. But we need to move past a political messiah fixing things for us.

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        #46

        @davevolek @eswag @Pepijn

        yeah winning election doesn't decide the verdict on things, but of course, winning elections is necessary before you do one single damn thing, good, bad, or pointless

        so again: if you crap on mamdani, when he's only been in an office a week, i will speak against you. you could be right, you could be wrong, but you certainly do not know, anymore than i know. i don't know better than you, but i know you don't know better than me. nobody knows the future

        that's it

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        • lordkhan@social.cologneL lordkhan@social.cologne

          @Pepijn @benroyce working for a danish/italian company I didn't have "war with the US" on my list of potential risks for 2026. As you said: there are so many positive things which used to come up thinking about the US, but now it's the opposite. It feels like a friend who betrays you.

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          #47

          @lordkhan @Pepijn @benroyce There were always people that the US was prepared to do bad things to in the pursuit of its own interests. All that's changed is we find ourselves transitioning from the exempt list to that list.

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          • grumble209@kolektiva.socialG grumble209@kolektiva.social

            @TCatInReality @benroyce @eswag @Pepijn I think the rot is partisanship.

            Partisanship got us into our gerrymandered lesser-of-two-evils shitshow.

            I don't see how partisanship for an imaginary party that is spelled "d-e-m-o-c-r-a-t" but acts like lefties is going to reform jack shit.

            Burn down all parties and just vote for lefties if you like lefties. If your ballot just has assholes on it, do whatever you feel you can live with.

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            #48

            @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

            oh yeah, parties suck

            unfortunately they are real

            merely saying "there shouldn't be political parties" sounds good. and is true. but it doesn't change a damn thing

            so we have to work with the shit we got

            it's like saying "war is bad"

            no shit

            but when there's russians marching tanks over your border, that sentiment doesn't mean much. you have to fight them

            so we have to engage on political parties. because it's great? no. because it is what it is

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            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

              @davevolek @eswag @Pepijn

              i've done political work

              are you putting forth a resume on your part working in a shit old system, exactly as you crap on mamdani for successfully working a shit old system?

              come on man

              all i'm asking you to do is not shit on mamdani

              can you just at least do that? or must we fight pointlessly

              or just ignore me and keep crapping on mamdani as you will

              i've registered my disapproval of what you said. ignore it if you want, but i think it's foolish

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              #49

              @benroyce Just a note: I do like your empowering anger, your thoughts and engagement, and your patience here.
              People like you give me hope for a change.

              @davevolek@mastodon.social @eswag @Pepijn

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              • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

                @benroyce Just a note: I do like your empowering anger, your thoughts and engagement, and your patience here.
                People like you give me hope for a change.

                @davevolek@mastodon.social @eswag @Pepijn

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                #50

                @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

                thank you

                i'm simply a hothead and a loudmouth

                which is not a virtue

                but it might be something like a virtue in a shit world such as it is

                any one who isn't angry isn't paying attention. so therefore all there is that i'm doing of any value is articulating anger. the tragedy would be is that is all i do. so the idea is to do that anger articulating *effectively*: actually change things

                let's see not only how i can do that, but how all of us can do that

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                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                  @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

                  oh yeah, parties suck

                  unfortunately they are real

                  merely saying "there shouldn't be political parties" sounds good. and is true. but it doesn't change a damn thing

                  so we have to work with the shit we got

                  it's like saying "war is bad"

                  no shit

                  but when there's russians marching tanks over your border, that sentiment doesn't mean much. you have to fight them

                  so we have to engage on political parties. because it's great? no. because it is what it is

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                  #51

                  @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn I respectfully disagree.

                  As far as I can tell, parties are the storefronts where big money donors go shopping to buy corrupt politicians.

                  I will not support a political party. I will support the good candidates that I trust. People - with ideas - not parties.

                  There's nothing about political parties in my Constitution, and that's good enough for me.

                  We may have to disagree about this.

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                  • grumble209@kolektiva.socialG grumble209@kolektiva.social

                    @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn I respectfully disagree.

                    As far as I can tell, parties are the storefronts where big money donors go shopping to buy corrupt politicians.

                    I will not support a political party. I will support the good candidates that I trust. People - with ideas - not parties.

                    There's nothing about political parties in my Constitution, and that's good enough for me.

                    We may have to disagree about this.

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                    #52

                    @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

                    but we don't disagree

                    i agree with you 100%

                    you say you'll support good candidates

                    great

                    me too

                    so when i say "take over the democratic party" what am i really saying?

                    getting good candidates forward

                    that the vehicle is a party is merely a rational tactic, it isn't the destruction of all that is good in the world

                    and if the candidates are good enough, and we get ranked choice voting from them, we can start talking about killing political parties

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                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                      @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

                      thank you

                      i'm simply a hothead and a loudmouth

                      which is not a virtue

                      but it might be something like a virtue in a shit world such as it is

                      any one who isn't angry isn't paying attention. so therefore all there is that i'm doing of any value is articulating anger. the tragedy would be is that is all i do. so the idea is to do that anger articulating *effectively*: actually change things

                      let's see not only how i can do that, but how all of us can do that

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                      #53

                      @benroyce @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

                      I certainly appreciate it. In a world of compromises and prevarications, it's good to see focus and determination to push through the roadblocks.

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                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                        @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

                        thank you

                        i'm simply a hothead and a loudmouth

                        which is not a virtue

                        but it might be something like a virtue in a shit world such as it is

                        any one who isn't angry isn't paying attention. so therefore all there is that i'm doing of any value is articulating anger. the tragedy would be is that is all i do. so the idea is to do that anger articulating *effectively*: actually change things

                        let's see not only how i can do that, but how all of us can do that

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                        #54

                        @benroyce Despite having such strong emotions, you argue very objectively, thoughtfully and clearly.
                        I think anger is a very human emotion and can be very helpful for activism: if you don't get stuck in it, but *transform* it into creativity and, above all, energy. And you, and all of us will need a lot of energy for that long way. (BTW, I'm too angry)

                        @eswag @Pepijn

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                        • lordkhan@social.cologneL lordkhan@social.cologne

                          @Pepijn @benroyce working for a danish/italian company I didn't have "war with the US" on my list of potential risks for 2026. As you said: there are so many positive things which used to come up thinking about the US, but now it's the opposite. It feels like a friend who betrays you.

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                          #55

                          @lordkhan @Pepijn @benroyce I live in the U.S. and it feels that way to me too.

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                          • pepijn@mastodon.onlineP pepijn@mastodon.online

                            @benroyce And I must say that I find it harder by the day to hear quotes from US citizens like "I didn't vote for him", "not my president", "not in my name" and especially: "50% of us disagree".

                            I get it. And I believe people when they say that. It also doesn't mean anything to me. That's internal.

                            What is external, to me as a citizen of another country, is that the USA -the country, with all the history, friendship & agreements we share- is actively threatening my country with invasion & war.

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                            #56

                            @Pepijn @benroyce

                            If his opponents in the US don't kick out him and his cronies, we are finished. The US is so powerful, especially militarily, that even with determination we could not repel an onslaught.

                            Caught between two authoritarian behemoths, the rational choice would be to have some form of stand-off alliance with the superpower which is committed to green energy and science.

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                            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                              @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

                              but we don't disagree

                              i agree with you 100%

                              you say you'll support good candidates

                              great

                              me too

                              so when i say "take over the democratic party" what am i really saying?

                              getting good candidates forward

                              that the vehicle is a party is merely a rational tactic, it isn't the destruction of all that is good in the world

                              and if the candidates are good enough, and we get ranked choice voting from them, we can start talking about killing political parties

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                              #57

                              @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn It's easy to agree when the ballot has good candidates that just happen to be Democrats. But I think we'll end up disagreeing over voting for shitty Democrats vs shitty Republicans.

                              Personally, I'm getting really tired of taste-testing the shit from both candidates to pick the one that's microscopically less shitty.

                              But let's think happy thoughts and pray that the DNC won't ever again run two shitty presidential candidates without a primary like 2024.

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                              • lionelb@expressional.socialL lionelb@expressional.social

                                @Pepijn @benroyce

                                If his opponents in the US don't kick out him and his cronies, we are finished. The US is so powerful, especially militarily, that even with determination we could not repel an onslaught.

                                Caught between two authoritarian behemoths, the rational choice would be to have some form of stand-off alliance with the superpower which is committed to green energy and science.

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                                #58

                                It's a sad thing that these days there's sooo many ways to read that second paragraph.

                                > superpower which is committed to green energy and science.

                                China?

                                @lionelb @benroyce

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                                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                  @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

                                  but we don't disagree

                                  i agree with you 100%

                                  you say you'll support good candidates

                                  great

                                  me too

                                  so when i say "take over the democratic party" what am i really saying?

                                  getting good candidates forward

                                  that the vehicle is a party is merely a rational tactic, it isn't the destruction of all that is good in the world

                                  and if the candidates are good enough, and we get ranked choice voting from them, we can start talking about killing political parties

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                                  #59

                                  @benroyce @grumble209@kolektiva.social @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn ranked choice voting for the win, it works. #vote

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                                  • grumble209@kolektiva.socialG grumble209@kolektiva.social

                                    @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn It's easy to agree when the ballot has good candidates that just happen to be Democrats. But I think we'll end up disagreeing over voting for shitty Democrats vs shitty Republicans.

                                    Personally, I'm getting really tired of taste-testing the shit from both candidates to pick the one that's microscopically less shitty.

                                    But let's think happy thoughts and pray that the DNC won't ever again run two shitty presidential candidates without a primary like 2024.

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                                    #60

                                    @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

                                    agreed, with one caveat:

                                    the worst dog shit democrat is still not fascism happy MAGA

                                    so even if the democrat is the most spineless chuck schumer shitbag, you act tactically, rather than sitting things out and watching us go to fascism

                                    it's not a fucking romance

                                    it's tactics in a game, to hold the line if not proceed to better, so you at least can go for better tomorrow, rather than putting out fires for decades

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                                    • pepijn@mastodon.onlineP pepijn@mastodon.online

                                      It's a sad thing that these days there's sooo many ways to read that second paragraph.

                                      > superpower which is committed to green energy and science.

                                      China?

                                      @lionelb @benroyce

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                                      #61

                                      @Pepijn @benroyce

                                      In the real world there is only China. The USA wants to boost global warming as rapidly as possible. China's economy is predicated on renewables.

                                      The USA is actively threatening. China is a putative threat.

                                      If we set aside history and shared culture, the case is there. Diplomacy is messy.

                                      The sole reason to prefer the USA would be the hope that progressives there get their act together.

                                      We live on a small planet. There are no magical options.

                                      #USpol

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                                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                        @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

                                        agreed, with one caveat:

                                        the worst dog shit democrat is still not fascism happy MAGA

                                        so even if the democrat is the most spineless chuck schumer shitbag, you act tactically, rather than sitting things out and watching us go to fascism

                                        it's not a fucking romance

                                        it's tactics in a game, to hold the line if not proceed to better, so you at least can go for better tomorrow, rather than putting out fires for decades

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                                        #62

                                        @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn Harris probably wouldn't have sunk a bunch of boats and murdered their sailors before kidnapping Maduro and stealing Venezuela's oil, but Harris would still have supported Israel killing and starving Palestinians just like Trump does.

                                        I'm too much of a pussy to look at a starving Palestinian orphan being expelled to Africa and say - hey, you have to understand I was voting *strategically*. 🤷

                                        Instead, I get really, really pissed off at the party assholes who put me in this position for the sake of the convenience of their donors.

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                                        • grammasaurus@mastodon.socialG grammasaurus@mastodon.social

                                          @benroyce @phl I bet I’m not the only American to just now be hearing about this. WTF?!?!

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                                          #63

                                          @grammasaurus @benroyce @phl
                                          iirc crptome.org wrote about it ~2000.

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