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  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

    @davevolek @eswag @Pepijn

    well yeah but your new way has to come via the old way

    you need to engage the shit system to build the better system

    it's not good enough to merely envision the better, you have to implement it. and that means involving yourself in what is, to make what should be, no matter how much what is sucks

    so when you speak of mamdani, cheer

    don't write his obituary when he's been in office a week. that's absurd and self-defeating

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    #39

    @benroyce @eswag @Pepijn

    The new way will have to be built outside the current way. I explain that in Chapter 6.

    A student in martial arts learns many skills to hurt their foes. But the skills that really matter are the skills to deftly step aside--and help the foe continue in the same direction of his attack but in a stumbling way.

    Never directly confront a foe if you don't have to. Be sneaky.

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    • davevolek@mastodon.socialD davevolek@mastodon.social

      @benroyce @eswag @Pepijn

      The new way will have to be built outside the current way. I explain that in Chapter 6.

      A student in martial arts learns many skills to hurt their foes. But the skills that really matter are the skills to deftly step aside--and help the foe continue in the same direction of his attack but in a stumbling way.

      Never directly confront a foe if you don't have to. Be sneaky.

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      #40

      @davevolek @eswag @Pepijn

      when i say work in the shit system to build the better system, i'm not even talking about the democratic party, i'm talking american society as it is

      which means rules of organizing and reaching out and dispelling common misconceptions that automatically invoke many of them same crap old methodologies you dislike

      you can't be a ghost

      and mamdani at *the least* represents the power of the new. that is your ally. don't shit on your allies

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      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

        @davevolek @eswag @Pepijn

        when i say work in the shit system to build the better system, i'm not even talking about the democratic party, i'm talking american society as it is

        which means rules of organizing and reaching out and dispelling common misconceptions that automatically invoke many of them same crap old methodologies you dislike

        you can't be a ghost

        and mamdani at *the least* represents the power of the new. that is your ally. don't shit on your allies

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        #41

        @benroyce @eswag @Pepijn

        Have you worked inside a political party?

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        • davevolek@mastodon.socialD davevolek@mastodon.social

          @benroyce @eswag @Pepijn

          Have you worked inside a political party?

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          #42

          @davevolek @eswag @Pepijn

          i've done political work

          are you putting forth a resume on your part working in a shit old system, exactly as you crap on mamdani for successfully working a shit old system?

          come on man

          all i'm asking you to do is not shit on mamdani

          can you just at least do that? or must we fight pointlessly

          or just ignore me and keep crapping on mamdani as you will

          i've registered my disapproval of what you said. ignore it if you want, but i think it's foolish

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          • pepijn@mastodon.onlineP pepijn@mastodon.online

            @benroyce And I must say that I find it harder by the day to hear quotes from US citizens like "I didn't vote for him", "not my president", "not in my name" and especially: "50% of us disagree".

            I get it. And I believe people when they say that. It also doesn't mean anything to me. That's internal.

            What is external, to me as a citizen of another country, is that the USA -the country, with all the history, friendship & agreements we share- is actively threatening my country with invasion & war.

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            #43

            @Pepijn @benroyce working for a danish/italian company I didn't have "war with the US" on my list of potential risks for 2026. As you said: there are so many positive things which used to come up thinking about the US, but now it's the opposite. It feels like a friend who betrays you.

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            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

              @davevolek @eswag @Pepijn

              i've done political work

              are you putting forth a resume on your part working in a shit old system, exactly as you crap on mamdani for successfully working a shit old system?

              come on man

              all i'm asking you to do is not shit on mamdani

              can you just at least do that? or must we fight pointlessly

              or just ignore me and keep crapping on mamdani as you will

              i've registered my disapproval of what you said. ignore it if you want, but i think it's foolish

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              #44

              @benroyce @eswag @Pepijn

              I know little about Mamdani. I have never worked with him to know how he handles people and situations. Winning an election is not a sign of good character and capacity for governance. I've seen too many turkeys get elected, but they have a good media image.

              He could be another Obama--and this would be good. But we need to move past a political messiah fixing things for us.

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              • tcatinreality@mastodon.socialT tcatinreality@mastodon.social

                @benroyce @eswag @Pepijn

                100%

                Progressives need to take over the Democratic party

                We still need a bIg tent and need to avoid ideological battles/purity tests. But progressives need to quit screwing around and seize the lead of the only institution with any hope of pushing back MAGA

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                #45

                @TCatInReality @benroyce @eswag @Pepijn I think the rot is partisanship.

                Partisanship got us into our gerrymandered lesser-of-two-evils shitshow.

                I don't see how partisanship for an imaginary party that is spelled "d-e-m-o-c-r-a-t" but acts like lefties is going to reform jack shit.

                Burn down all parties and just vote for lefties if you like lefties. If your ballot just has assholes on it, do whatever you feel you can live with.

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                • davevolek@mastodon.socialD davevolek@mastodon.social

                  @benroyce @eswag @Pepijn

                  I know little about Mamdani. I have never worked with him to know how he handles people and situations. Winning an election is not a sign of good character and capacity for governance. I've seen too many turkeys get elected, but they have a good media image.

                  He could be another Obama--and this would be good. But we need to move past a political messiah fixing things for us.

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                  #46

                  @davevolek @eswag @Pepijn

                  yeah winning election doesn't decide the verdict on things, but of course, winning elections is necessary before you do one single damn thing, good, bad, or pointless

                  so again: if you crap on mamdani, when he's only been in an office a week, i will speak against you. you could be right, you could be wrong, but you certainly do not know, anymore than i know. i don't know better than you, but i know you don't know better than me. nobody knows the future

                  that's it

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                  • lordkhan@social.cologneL lordkhan@social.cologne

                    @Pepijn @benroyce working for a danish/italian company I didn't have "war with the US" on my list of potential risks for 2026. As you said: there are so many positive things which used to come up thinking about the US, but now it's the opposite. It feels like a friend who betrays you.

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                    #47

                    @lordkhan @Pepijn @benroyce There were always people that the US was prepared to do bad things to in the pursuit of its own interests. All that's changed is we find ourselves transitioning from the exempt list to that list.

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                    • grumble209@kolektiva.socialG grumble209@kolektiva.social

                      @TCatInReality @benroyce @eswag @Pepijn I think the rot is partisanship.

                      Partisanship got us into our gerrymandered lesser-of-two-evils shitshow.

                      I don't see how partisanship for an imaginary party that is spelled "d-e-m-o-c-r-a-t" but acts like lefties is going to reform jack shit.

                      Burn down all parties and just vote for lefties if you like lefties. If your ballot just has assholes on it, do whatever you feel you can live with.

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                      #48

                      @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

                      oh yeah, parties suck

                      unfortunately they are real

                      merely saying "there shouldn't be political parties" sounds good. and is true. but it doesn't change a damn thing

                      so we have to work with the shit we got

                      it's like saying "war is bad"

                      no shit

                      but when there's russians marching tanks over your border, that sentiment doesn't mean much. you have to fight them

                      so we have to engage on political parties. because it's great? no. because it is what it is

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                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                        @davevolek @eswag @Pepijn

                        i've done political work

                        are you putting forth a resume on your part working in a shit old system, exactly as you crap on mamdani for successfully working a shit old system?

                        come on man

                        all i'm asking you to do is not shit on mamdani

                        can you just at least do that? or must we fight pointlessly

                        or just ignore me and keep crapping on mamdani as you will

                        i've registered my disapproval of what you said. ignore it if you want, but i think it's foolish

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                        #49

                        @benroyce Just a note: I do like your empowering anger, your thoughts and engagement, and your patience here.
                        People like you give me hope for a change.

                        @davevolek@mastodon.social @eswag @Pepijn

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                        • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

                          @benroyce Just a note: I do like your empowering anger, your thoughts and engagement, and your patience here.
                          People like you give me hope for a change.

                          @davevolek@mastodon.social @eswag @Pepijn

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                          #50

                          @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

                          thank you

                          i'm simply a hothead and a loudmouth

                          which is not a virtue

                          but it might be something like a virtue in a shit world such as it is

                          any one who isn't angry isn't paying attention. so therefore all there is that i'm doing of any value is articulating anger. the tragedy would be is that is all i do. so the idea is to do that anger articulating *effectively*: actually change things

                          let's see not only how i can do that, but how all of us can do that

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                          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                            @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

                            oh yeah, parties suck

                            unfortunately they are real

                            merely saying "there shouldn't be political parties" sounds good. and is true. but it doesn't change a damn thing

                            so we have to work with the shit we got

                            it's like saying "war is bad"

                            no shit

                            but when there's russians marching tanks over your border, that sentiment doesn't mean much. you have to fight them

                            so we have to engage on political parties. because it's great? no. because it is what it is

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                            #51

                            @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn I respectfully disagree.

                            As far as I can tell, parties are the storefronts where big money donors go shopping to buy corrupt politicians.

                            I will not support a political party. I will support the good candidates that I trust. People - with ideas - not parties.

                            There's nothing about political parties in my Constitution, and that's good enough for me.

                            We may have to disagree about this.

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                            • grumble209@kolektiva.socialG grumble209@kolektiva.social

                              @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn I respectfully disagree.

                              As far as I can tell, parties are the storefronts where big money donors go shopping to buy corrupt politicians.

                              I will not support a political party. I will support the good candidates that I trust. People - with ideas - not parties.

                              There's nothing about political parties in my Constitution, and that's good enough for me.

                              We may have to disagree about this.

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                              #52

                              @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

                              but we don't disagree

                              i agree with you 100%

                              you say you'll support good candidates

                              great

                              me too

                              so when i say "take over the democratic party" what am i really saying?

                              getting good candidates forward

                              that the vehicle is a party is merely a rational tactic, it isn't the destruction of all that is good in the world

                              and if the candidates are good enough, and we get ranked choice voting from them, we can start talking about killing political parties

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                              • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

                                thank you

                                i'm simply a hothead and a loudmouth

                                which is not a virtue

                                but it might be something like a virtue in a shit world such as it is

                                any one who isn't angry isn't paying attention. so therefore all there is that i'm doing of any value is articulating anger. the tragedy would be is that is all i do. so the idea is to do that anger articulating *effectively*: actually change things

                                let's see not only how i can do that, but how all of us can do that

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                                #53

                                @benroyce @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

                                I certainly appreciate it. In a world of compromises and prevarications, it's good to see focus and determination to push through the roadblocks.

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                                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                  @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

                                  thank you

                                  i'm simply a hothead and a loudmouth

                                  which is not a virtue

                                  but it might be something like a virtue in a shit world such as it is

                                  any one who isn't angry isn't paying attention. so therefore all there is that i'm doing of any value is articulating anger. the tragedy would be is that is all i do. so the idea is to do that anger articulating *effectively*: actually change things

                                  let's see not only how i can do that, but how all of us can do that

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                                  #54

                                  @benroyce Despite having such strong emotions, you argue very objectively, thoughtfully and clearly.
                                  I think anger is a very human emotion and can be very helpful for activism: if you don't get stuck in it, but *transform* it into creativity and, above all, energy. And you, and all of us will need a lot of energy for that long way. (BTW, I'm too angry)

                                  @eswag @Pepijn

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                                  • lordkhan@social.cologneL lordkhan@social.cologne

                                    @Pepijn @benroyce working for a danish/italian company I didn't have "war with the US" on my list of potential risks for 2026. As you said: there are so many positive things which used to come up thinking about the US, but now it's the opposite. It feels like a friend who betrays you.

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                                    #55

                                    @lordkhan @Pepijn @benroyce I live in the U.S. and it feels that way to me too.

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                                    • pepijn@mastodon.onlineP pepijn@mastodon.online

                                      @benroyce And I must say that I find it harder by the day to hear quotes from US citizens like "I didn't vote for him", "not my president", "not in my name" and especially: "50% of us disagree".

                                      I get it. And I believe people when they say that. It also doesn't mean anything to me. That's internal.

                                      What is external, to me as a citizen of another country, is that the USA -the country, with all the history, friendship & agreements we share- is actively threatening my country with invasion & war.

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                                      #56

                                      @Pepijn @benroyce

                                      If his opponents in the US don't kick out him and his cronies, we are finished. The US is so powerful, especially militarily, that even with determination we could not repel an onslaught.

                                      Caught between two authoritarian behemoths, the rational choice would be to have some form of stand-off alliance with the superpower which is committed to green energy and science.

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                                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                        @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

                                        but we don't disagree

                                        i agree with you 100%

                                        you say you'll support good candidates

                                        great

                                        me too

                                        so when i say "take over the democratic party" what am i really saying?

                                        getting good candidates forward

                                        that the vehicle is a party is merely a rational tactic, it isn't the destruction of all that is good in the world

                                        and if the candidates are good enough, and we get ranked choice voting from them, we can start talking about killing political parties

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                                        #57

                                        @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn It's easy to agree when the ballot has good candidates that just happen to be Democrats. But I think we'll end up disagreeing over voting for shitty Democrats vs shitty Republicans.

                                        Personally, I'm getting really tired of taste-testing the shit from both candidates to pick the one that's microscopically less shitty.

                                        But let's think happy thoughts and pray that the DNC won't ever again run two shitty presidential candidates without a primary like 2024.

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                                        • lionelb@expressional.socialL lionelb@expressional.social

                                          @Pepijn @benroyce

                                          If his opponents in the US don't kick out him and his cronies, we are finished. The US is so powerful, especially militarily, that even with determination we could not repel an onslaught.

                                          Caught between two authoritarian behemoths, the rational choice would be to have some form of stand-off alliance with the superpower which is committed to green energy and science.

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                                          #58

                                          It's a sad thing that these days there's sooo many ways to read that second paragraph.

                                          > superpower which is committed to green energy and science.

                                          China?

                                          @lionelb @benroyce

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