While we do #Denmark #Danmark #USA #Greenland #Arctic drama, don't forget the #Inuit, the people who live there
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i've done political work
are you putting forth a resume on your part working in a shit old system, exactly as you crap on mamdani for successfully working a shit old system?
come on man
all i'm asking you to do is not shit on mamdani
can you just at least do that? or must we fight pointlessly
or just ignore me and keep crapping on mamdani as you will
i've registered my disapproval of what you said. ignore it if you want, but i think it's foolish
@benroyce Just a note: I do like your empowering anger, your thoughts and engagement, and your patience here.
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@benroyce Just a note: I do like your empowering anger, your thoughts and engagement, and your patience here.
People like you give me hope for a change.thank you
i'm simply a hothead and a loudmouth
which is not a virtue
but it might be something like a virtue in a shit world such as it is
any one who isn't angry isn't paying attention. so therefore all there is that i'm doing of any value is articulating anger. the tragedy would be is that is all i do. so the idea is to do that anger articulating *effectively*: actually change things
let's see not only how i can do that, but how all of us can do that
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@grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn
oh yeah, parties suck
unfortunately they are real
merely saying "there shouldn't be political parties" sounds good. and is true. but it doesn't change a damn thing
so we have to work with the shit we got
it's like saying "war is bad"
no shit
but when there's russians marching tanks over your border, that sentiment doesn't mean much. you have to fight them
so we have to engage on political parties. because it's great? no. because it is what it is
@benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn I respectfully disagree.
As far as I can tell, parties are the storefronts where big money donors go shopping to buy corrupt politicians.
I will not support a political party. I will support the good candidates that I trust. People - with ideas - not parties.
There's nothing about political parties in my Constitution, and that's good enough for me.
We may have to disagree about this.
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@benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn I respectfully disagree.
As far as I can tell, parties are the storefronts where big money donors go shopping to buy corrupt politicians.
I will not support a political party. I will support the good candidates that I trust. People - with ideas - not parties.
There's nothing about political parties in my Constitution, and that's good enough for me.
We may have to disagree about this.
@grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn
but we don't disagree
i agree with you 100%
you say you'll support good candidates
great
me too
so when i say "take over the democratic party" what am i really saying?
getting good candidates forward
that the vehicle is a party is merely a rational tactic, it isn't the destruction of all that is good in the world
and if the candidates are good enough, and we get ranked choice voting from them, we can start talking about killing political parties
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thank you
i'm simply a hothead and a loudmouth
which is not a virtue
but it might be something like a virtue in a shit world such as it is
any one who isn't angry isn't paying attention. so therefore all there is that i'm doing of any value is articulating anger. the tragedy would be is that is all i do. so the idea is to do that anger articulating *effectively*: actually change things
let's see not only how i can do that, but how all of us can do that
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thank you
i'm simply a hothead and a loudmouth
which is not a virtue
but it might be something like a virtue in a shit world such as it is
any one who isn't angry isn't paying attention. so therefore all there is that i'm doing of any value is articulating anger. the tragedy would be is that is all i do. so the idea is to do that anger articulating *effectively*: actually change things
let's see not only how i can do that, but how all of us can do that
@benroyce Despite having such strong emotions, you argue very objectively, thoughtfully and clearly.
I think anger is a very human emotion and can be very helpful for activism: if you don't get stuck in it, but *transform* it into creativity and, above all, energy. And you, and all of us will need a lot of energy for that long way. (BTW, I'm too angry) -
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@benroyce And I must say that I find it harder by the day to hear quotes from US citizens like "I didn't vote for him", "not my president", "not in my name" and especially: "50% of us disagree".
I get it. And I believe people when they say that. It also doesn't mean anything to me. That's internal.
What is external, to me as a citizen of another country, is that the USA -the country, with all the history, friendship & agreements we share- is actively threatening my country with invasion & war.
If his opponents in the US don't kick out him and his cronies, we are finished. The US is so powerful, especially militarily, that even with determination we could not repel an onslaught.
Caught between two authoritarian behemoths, the rational choice would be to have some form of stand-off alliance with the superpower which is committed to green energy and science.
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@grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn
but we don't disagree
i agree with you 100%
you say you'll support good candidates
great
me too
so when i say "take over the democratic party" what am i really saying?
getting good candidates forward
that the vehicle is a party is merely a rational tactic, it isn't the destruction of all that is good in the world
and if the candidates are good enough, and we get ranked choice voting from them, we can start talking about killing political parties
@benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn It's easy to agree when the ballot has good candidates that just happen to be Democrats. But I think we'll end up disagreeing over voting for shitty Democrats vs shitty Republicans.
Personally, I'm getting really tired of taste-testing the shit from both candidates to pick the one that's microscopically less shitty.
But let's think happy thoughts and pray that the DNC won't ever again run two shitty presidential candidates without a primary like 2024.
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If his opponents in the US don't kick out him and his cronies, we are finished. The US is so powerful, especially militarily, that even with determination we could not repel an onslaught.
Caught between two authoritarian behemoths, the rational choice would be to have some form of stand-off alliance with the superpower which is committed to green energy and science.
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@grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn
but we don't disagree
i agree with you 100%
you say you'll support good candidates
great
me too
so when i say "take over the democratic party" what am i really saying?
getting good candidates forward
that the vehicle is a party is merely a rational tactic, it isn't the destruction of all that is good in the world
and if the candidates are good enough, and we get ranked choice voting from them, we can start talking about killing political parties
@benroyce @grumble209@kolektiva.social @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn ranked choice voting for the win, it works. #vote
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@benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn It's easy to agree when the ballot has good candidates that just happen to be Democrats. But I think we'll end up disagreeing over voting for shitty Democrats vs shitty Republicans.
Personally, I'm getting really tired of taste-testing the shit from both candidates to pick the one that's microscopically less shitty.
But let's think happy thoughts and pray that the DNC won't ever again run two shitty presidential candidates without a primary like 2024.
@grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn
agreed, with one caveat:
the worst dog shit democrat is still not fascism happy MAGA
so even if the democrat is the most spineless chuck schumer shitbag, you act tactically, rather than sitting things out and watching us go to fascism
it's not a fucking romance
it's tactics in a game, to hold the line if not proceed to better, so you at least can go for better tomorrow, rather than putting out fires for decades
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In the real world there is only China. The USA wants to boost global warming as rapidly as possible. China's economy is predicated on renewables.
The USA is actively threatening. China is a putative threat.
If we set aside history and shared culture, the case is there. Diplomacy is messy.
The sole reason to prefer the USA would be the hope that progressives there get their act together.
We live on a small planet. There are no magical options.
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@grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn
agreed, with one caveat:
the worst dog shit democrat is still not fascism happy MAGA
so even if the democrat is the most spineless chuck schumer shitbag, you act tactically, rather than sitting things out and watching us go to fascism
it's not a fucking romance
it's tactics in a game, to hold the line if not proceed to better, so you at least can go for better tomorrow, rather than putting out fires for decades
@benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn Harris probably wouldn't have sunk a bunch of boats and murdered their sailors before kidnapping Maduro and stealing Venezuela's oil, but Harris would still have supported Israel killing and starving Palestinians just like Trump does.
I'm too much of a pussy to look at a starving Palestinian orphan being expelled to Africa and say - hey, you have to understand I was voting *strategically*.

Instead, I get really, really pissed off at the party assholes who put me in this position for the sake of the convenience of their donors.
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@grammasaurus @benroyce @phl
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@benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn Harris probably wouldn't have sunk a bunch of boats and murdered their sailors before kidnapping Maduro and stealing Venezuela's oil, but Harris would still have supported Israel killing and starving Palestinians just like Trump does.
I'm too much of a pussy to look at a starving Palestinian orphan being expelled to Africa and say - hey, you have to understand I was voting *strategically*.

Instead, I get really, really pissed off at the party assholes who put me in this position for the sake of the convenience of their donors.
@grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn
no argument
as long as you vote
harris sucked
and what is this MAGA fascism we're seeing? the same?!
if you don't vote, and en masse with all the other inflexible dreamers you therefore get worse, what is the fucking point?
better
or
worse
*all you ever fucking get in this world*
and when you choose better, you ITERATE to even better next time
THAT is how you improve the world
sitting out until perfect magically appears is impotent insanity
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@grammasaurus @benroyce @phl
iirc crptome.org wrote about it ~2000.@stevewfolds @benroyce @phl While the world was freaking out over Y2K?
(only half kidding….)
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thank you
i'm simply a hothead and a loudmouth
which is not a virtue
but it might be something like a virtue in a shit world such as it is
any one who isn't angry isn't paying attention. so therefore all there is that i'm doing of any value is articulating anger. the tragedy would be is that is all i do. so the idea is to do that anger articulating *effectively*: actually change things
let's see not only how i can do that, but how all of us can do that
@benroyce
Ben, you're definitely a loudmouth, but a hothead? Your messages and replies are always eloquent and well thought through. A hothead loses control of themselves. I've never had the feeling you were not in control, even when seething, and rightfully so, with anger. Much appreciated!
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@benroyce
Ben, you're definitely a loudmouth, but a hothead? Your messages and replies are always eloquent and well thought through. A hothead loses control of themselves. I've never had the feeling you were not in control, even when seething, and rightfully so, with anger. Much appreciated!
@NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn@Eetschrijver @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn
as a mindless contrarian, now that you've identified this line, i will do my best to cross it
(just kidding, thanks GJ)
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@benroyce And I must say that I find it harder by the day to hear quotes from US citizens like "I didn't vote for him", "not my president", "not in my name" and especially: "50% of us disagree".
I get it. And I believe people when they say that. It also doesn't mean anything to me. That's internal.
What is external, to me as a citizen of another country, is that the USA -the country, with all the history, friendship & agreements we share- is actively threatening my country with invasion & war.
@Pepijn
I'd said something like this when I was on FB. Along the lines of "I'm sick of hearing these apologies. You should save that energy and GO DO SOMETHING. We don't want your apologies."People I've known IRL for ages, progressive types, wailed about how I was attacking them personally. "I've been crying for hours over your hatefulness. What do you expect me to do? I go to the protests in my Big Blue City!"