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  • lordkhan@social.cologneL lordkhan@social.cologne

    @Pepijn @benroyce working for a danish/italian company I didn't have "war with the US" on my list of potential risks for 2026. As you said: there are so many positive things which used to come up thinking about the US, but now it's the opposite. It feels like a friend who betrays you.

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    #55

    @lordkhan @Pepijn @benroyce I live in the U.S. and it feels that way to me too.

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    • pepijn@mastodon.onlineP pepijn@mastodon.online

      @benroyce And I must say that I find it harder by the day to hear quotes from US citizens like "I didn't vote for him", "not my president", "not in my name" and especially: "50% of us disagree".

      I get it. And I believe people when they say that. It also doesn't mean anything to me. That's internal.

      What is external, to me as a citizen of another country, is that the USA -the country, with all the history, friendship & agreements we share- is actively threatening my country with invasion & war.

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      #56

      @Pepijn @benroyce

      If his opponents in the US don't kick out him and his cronies, we are finished. The US is so powerful, especially militarily, that even with determination we could not repel an onslaught.

      Caught between two authoritarian behemoths, the rational choice would be to have some form of stand-off alliance with the superpower which is committed to green energy and science.

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      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

        @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

        but we don't disagree

        i agree with you 100%

        you say you'll support good candidates

        great

        me too

        so when i say "take over the democratic party" what am i really saying?

        getting good candidates forward

        that the vehicle is a party is merely a rational tactic, it isn't the destruction of all that is good in the world

        and if the candidates are good enough, and we get ranked choice voting from them, we can start talking about killing political parties

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        #57

        @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn It's easy to agree when the ballot has good candidates that just happen to be Democrats. But I think we'll end up disagreeing over voting for shitty Democrats vs shitty Republicans.

        Personally, I'm getting really tired of taste-testing the shit from both candidates to pick the one that's microscopically less shitty.

        But let's think happy thoughts and pray that the DNC won't ever again run two shitty presidential candidates without a primary like 2024.

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        • lionelb@expressional.socialL lionelb@expressional.social

          @Pepijn @benroyce

          If his opponents in the US don't kick out him and his cronies, we are finished. The US is so powerful, especially militarily, that even with determination we could not repel an onslaught.

          Caught between two authoritarian behemoths, the rational choice would be to have some form of stand-off alliance with the superpower which is committed to green energy and science.

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          #58

          It's a sad thing that these days there's sooo many ways to read that second paragraph.

          > superpower which is committed to green energy and science.

          China?

          @lionelb @benroyce

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          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

            @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

            but we don't disagree

            i agree with you 100%

            you say you'll support good candidates

            great

            me too

            so when i say "take over the democratic party" what am i really saying?

            getting good candidates forward

            that the vehicle is a party is merely a rational tactic, it isn't the destruction of all that is good in the world

            and if the candidates are good enough, and we get ranked choice voting from them, we can start talking about killing political parties

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            #59

            @benroyce @grumble209@kolektiva.social @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn ranked choice voting for the win, it works. #vote

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            • grumble209@kolektiva.socialG grumble209@kolektiva.social

              @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn It's easy to agree when the ballot has good candidates that just happen to be Democrats. But I think we'll end up disagreeing over voting for shitty Democrats vs shitty Republicans.

              Personally, I'm getting really tired of taste-testing the shit from both candidates to pick the one that's microscopically less shitty.

              But let's think happy thoughts and pray that the DNC won't ever again run two shitty presidential candidates without a primary like 2024.

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              #60

              @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

              agreed, with one caveat:

              the worst dog shit democrat is still not fascism happy MAGA

              so even if the democrat is the most spineless chuck schumer shitbag, you act tactically, rather than sitting things out and watching us go to fascism

              it's not a fucking romance

              it's tactics in a game, to hold the line if not proceed to better, so you at least can go for better tomorrow, rather than putting out fires for decades

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              • pepijn@mastodon.onlineP pepijn@mastodon.online

                It's a sad thing that these days there's sooo many ways to read that second paragraph.

                > superpower which is committed to green energy and science.

                China?

                @lionelb @benroyce

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                #61

                @Pepijn @benroyce

                In the real world there is only China. The USA wants to boost global warming as rapidly as possible. China's economy is predicated on renewables.

                The USA is actively threatening. China is a putative threat.

                If we set aside history and shared culture, the case is there. Diplomacy is messy.

                The sole reason to prefer the USA would be the hope that progressives there get their act together.

                We live on a small planet. There are no magical options.

                #USpol

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                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                  @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

                  agreed, with one caveat:

                  the worst dog shit democrat is still not fascism happy MAGA

                  so even if the democrat is the most spineless chuck schumer shitbag, you act tactically, rather than sitting things out and watching us go to fascism

                  it's not a fucking romance

                  it's tactics in a game, to hold the line if not proceed to better, so you at least can go for better tomorrow, rather than putting out fires for decades

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                  #62

                  @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn Harris probably wouldn't have sunk a bunch of boats and murdered their sailors before kidnapping Maduro and stealing Venezuela's oil, but Harris would still have supported Israel killing and starving Palestinians just like Trump does.

                  I'm too much of a pussy to look at a starving Palestinian orphan being expelled to Africa and say - hey, you have to understand I was voting *strategically*. 🤷

                  Instead, I get really, really pissed off at the party assholes who put me in this position for the sake of the convenience of their donors.

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                  • grammasaurus@mastodon.socialG grammasaurus@mastodon.social

                    @benroyce @phl I bet I’m not the only American to just now be hearing about this. WTF?!?!

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                    #63

                    @grammasaurus @benroyce @phl
                    iirc crptome.org wrote about it ~2000.

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                    • grumble209@kolektiva.socialG grumble209@kolektiva.social

                      @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn Harris probably wouldn't have sunk a bunch of boats and murdered their sailors before kidnapping Maduro and stealing Venezuela's oil, but Harris would still have supported Israel killing and starving Palestinians just like Trump does.

                      I'm too much of a pussy to look at a starving Palestinian orphan being expelled to Africa and say - hey, you have to understand I was voting *strategically*. 🤷

                      Instead, I get really, really pissed off at the party assholes who put me in this position for the sake of the convenience of their donors.

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                      #64

                      @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

                      no argument

                      as long as you vote

                      harris sucked

                      and what is this MAGA fascism we're seeing? the same?!

                      if you don't vote, and en masse with all the other inflexible dreamers you therefore get worse, what is the fucking point?

                      better

                      or

                      worse

                      *all you ever fucking get in this world*

                      and when you choose better, you ITERATE to even better next time

                      THAT is how you improve the world

                      sitting out until perfect magically appears is impotent insanity

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                      • stevewfolds@mastodon.worldS stevewfolds@mastodon.world

                        @grammasaurus @benroyce @phl
                        iirc crptome.org wrote about it ~2000.

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                        #65

                        @stevewfolds @benroyce @phl While the world was freaking out over Y2K?

                        (only half kidding….)

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                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                          @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

                          thank you

                          i'm simply a hothead and a loudmouth

                          which is not a virtue

                          but it might be something like a virtue in a shit world such as it is

                          any one who isn't angry isn't paying attention. so therefore all there is that i'm doing of any value is articulating anger. the tragedy would be is that is all i do. so the idea is to do that anger articulating *effectively*: actually change things

                          let's see not only how i can do that, but how all of us can do that

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                          #66

                          @benroyce
                          Ben, you're definitely a loudmouth, but a hothead? Your messages and replies are always eloquent and well thought through. A hothead loses control of themselves. I've never had the feeling you were not in control, even when seething, and rightfully so, with anger. Much appreciated!
                          @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

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                          • eetschrijver@mastodon.socialE eetschrijver@mastodon.social

                            @benroyce
                            Ben, you're definitely a loudmouth, but a hothead? Your messages and replies are always eloquent and well thought through. A hothead loses control of themselves. I've never had the feeling you were not in control, even when seething, and rightfully so, with anger. Much appreciated!
                            @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

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                            #67

                            @Eetschrijver @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

                            as a mindless contrarian, now that you've identified this line, i will do my best to cross it

                            (just kidding, thanks GJ)

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                            • pepijn@mastodon.onlineP pepijn@mastodon.online

                              @benroyce And I must say that I find it harder by the day to hear quotes from US citizens like "I didn't vote for him", "not my president", "not in my name" and especially: "50% of us disagree".

                              I get it. And I believe people when they say that. It also doesn't mean anything to me. That's internal.

                              What is external, to me as a citizen of another country, is that the USA -the country, with all the history, friendship & agreements we share- is actively threatening my country with invasion & war.

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                              #68

                              @Pepijn
                              I'd said something like this when I was on FB. Along the lines of "I'm sick of hearing these apologies. You should save that energy and GO DO SOMETHING. We don't want your apologies."

                              People I've known IRL for ages, progressive types, wailed about how I was attacking them personally. "I've been crying for hours over your hatefulness. What do you expect me to do? I go to the protests in my Big Blue City!"

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                              • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                @Eetschrijver @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

                                as a mindless contrarian, now that you've identified this line, i will do my best to cross it

                                (just kidding, thanks GJ)

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                                #69

                                @benroyce
                                Sure, buddy!
                                @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

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                                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                  While we do #Denmark #Danmark #USA #Greenland #Arctic drama, don't forget the #Inuit, the people who live there

                                  #AqqalukLynge, cofounder of Greenland independence party #InuitAtaqatigiit, loudly reminds the world that his homeland is a free and self-governing territory

                                  "It’s really frustrating for us. What do you do with friends that are no longer friends? I don't know"

                                  Whatever issues the Inuit have with #Copenhagen obviously #US #imperialism is far worse

                                  https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/greenland-threats-aqqaluk-lynge-9.7035614

                                  1/3

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                                  #70

                                  @benroyce it pains me to say it but a military response could be the only response he understands. Outside of that I have read freedom of association is most likely the option he will look at

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                                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                    @ckd

                                    after one trump term perhaps

                                    but now in 2026 trump has destroyed all trust

                                    this is not recovering quickly

                                    as an american i apologize, and we have a lot of cleaning up to do

                                    do not trust us for a long time, even if you see improvement

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                                    #71

                                    @benroyce

                                    this rests at the feet of the GOP

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                                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                      @Pepijn

                                      if someone didn't vote, they are absolutely without a leg to stand on on anything

                                      this is where i place all my anger as an american

                                      all their toxic idealism, all their mindless cynicism: it's nothing more than pure unadulterated entitlement and weak stupid excuses

                                      absolutely infuriates me

                                      we *have* to vote to defeat this abomination. there are no excuses

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                                      #72

                                      @benroyce @Pepijn as an old Irish chap said to me years ago on a different subject, "it's all masturbation, loads of fuss and energy but in the end productive of nothing"

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                                      • mindtgap@mastodon.socialM mindtgap@mastodon.social

                                        @benroyce @grumble209@kolektiva.social @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn ranked choice voting for the win, it works. #vote

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                                        #73

                                        @MindTGap @benroyce @eswag @Pepijn

                                        Love the idea of ranked choice (along with many other election reforms)

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                                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                          @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

                                          no argument

                                          as long as you vote

                                          harris sucked

                                          and what is this MAGA fascism we're seeing? the same?!

                                          if you don't vote, and en masse with all the other inflexible dreamers you therefore get worse, what is the fucking point?

                                          better

                                          or

                                          worse

                                          *all you ever fucking get in this world*

                                          and when you choose better, you ITERATE to even better next time

                                          THAT is how you improve the world

                                          sitting out until perfect magically appears is impotent insanity

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                                          #74

                                          @benroyce @grumble209 @eswag @Pepijn

                                          Bless you for trying to state the obvious, @benroyce . I agree w all your points.

                                          Voting for the "lesser of two evils" is how you get less evil. I really don't understand people who fail to get that - and RUSH to the polls to ensure there is less evil.

                                          Such ideological purists don't realize they'll never get a perfect candidate in a nation of 330 million. What useful idiots for the fascists, spreading their discontent and undermining democracy.

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