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  • grumble209@kolektiva.socialG grumble209@kolektiva.social

    @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn I respectfully disagree.

    As far as I can tell, parties are the storefronts where big money donors go shopping to buy corrupt politicians.

    I will not support a political party. I will support the good candidates that I trust. People - with ideas - not parties.

    There's nothing about political parties in my Constitution, and that's good enough for me.

    We may have to disagree about this.

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    #52

    @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

    but we don't disagree

    i agree with you 100%

    you say you'll support good candidates

    great

    me too

    so when i say "take over the democratic party" what am i really saying?

    getting good candidates forward

    that the vehicle is a party is merely a rational tactic, it isn't the destruction of all that is good in the world

    and if the candidates are good enough, and we get ranked choice voting from them, we can start talking about killing political parties

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    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

      @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

      thank you

      i'm simply a hothead and a loudmouth

      which is not a virtue

      but it might be something like a virtue in a shit world such as it is

      any one who isn't angry isn't paying attention. so therefore all there is that i'm doing of any value is articulating anger. the tragedy would be is that is all i do. so the idea is to do that anger articulating *effectively*: actually change things

      let's see not only how i can do that, but how all of us can do that

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      #53

      @benroyce @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

      I certainly appreciate it. In a world of compromises and prevarications, it's good to see focus and determination to push through the roadblocks.

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      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

        @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

        thank you

        i'm simply a hothead and a loudmouth

        which is not a virtue

        but it might be something like a virtue in a shit world such as it is

        any one who isn't angry isn't paying attention. so therefore all there is that i'm doing of any value is articulating anger. the tragedy would be is that is all i do. so the idea is to do that anger articulating *effectively*: actually change things

        let's see not only how i can do that, but how all of us can do that

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        #54

        @benroyce Despite having such strong emotions, you argue very objectively, thoughtfully and clearly.
        I think anger is a very human emotion and can be very helpful for activism: if you don't get stuck in it, but *transform* it into creativity and, above all, energy. And you, and all of us will need a lot of energy for that long way. (BTW, I'm too angry)

        @eswag @Pepijn

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        • lordkhan@social.cologneL lordkhan@social.cologne

          @Pepijn @benroyce working for a danish/italian company I didn't have "war with the US" on my list of potential risks for 2026. As you said: there are so many positive things which used to come up thinking about the US, but now it's the opposite. It feels like a friend who betrays you.

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          #55

          @lordkhan @Pepijn @benroyce I live in the U.S. and it feels that way to me too.

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          • pepijn@mastodon.onlineP pepijn@mastodon.online

            @benroyce And I must say that I find it harder by the day to hear quotes from US citizens like "I didn't vote for him", "not my president", "not in my name" and especially: "50% of us disagree".

            I get it. And I believe people when they say that. It also doesn't mean anything to me. That's internal.

            What is external, to me as a citizen of another country, is that the USA -the country, with all the history, friendship & agreements we share- is actively threatening my country with invasion & war.

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            #56

            @Pepijn @benroyce

            If his opponents in the US don't kick out him and his cronies, we are finished. The US is so powerful, especially militarily, that even with determination we could not repel an onslaught.

            Caught between two authoritarian behemoths, the rational choice would be to have some form of stand-off alliance with the superpower which is committed to green energy and science.

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            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

              @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

              but we don't disagree

              i agree with you 100%

              you say you'll support good candidates

              great

              me too

              so when i say "take over the democratic party" what am i really saying?

              getting good candidates forward

              that the vehicle is a party is merely a rational tactic, it isn't the destruction of all that is good in the world

              and if the candidates are good enough, and we get ranked choice voting from them, we can start talking about killing political parties

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              #57

              @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn It's easy to agree when the ballot has good candidates that just happen to be Democrats. But I think we'll end up disagreeing over voting for shitty Democrats vs shitty Republicans.

              Personally, I'm getting really tired of taste-testing the shit from both candidates to pick the one that's microscopically less shitty.

              But let's think happy thoughts and pray that the DNC won't ever again run two shitty presidential candidates without a primary like 2024.

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              • lionelb@expressional.socialL lionelb@expressional.social

                @Pepijn @benroyce

                If his opponents in the US don't kick out him and his cronies, we are finished. The US is so powerful, especially militarily, that even with determination we could not repel an onslaught.

                Caught between two authoritarian behemoths, the rational choice would be to have some form of stand-off alliance with the superpower which is committed to green energy and science.

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                #58

                It's a sad thing that these days there's sooo many ways to read that second paragraph.

                > superpower which is committed to green energy and science.

                China?

                @lionelb @benroyce

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                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                  @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

                  but we don't disagree

                  i agree with you 100%

                  you say you'll support good candidates

                  great

                  me too

                  so when i say "take over the democratic party" what am i really saying?

                  getting good candidates forward

                  that the vehicle is a party is merely a rational tactic, it isn't the destruction of all that is good in the world

                  and if the candidates are good enough, and we get ranked choice voting from them, we can start talking about killing political parties

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                  #59

                  @benroyce @grumble209@kolektiva.social @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn ranked choice voting for the win, it works. #vote

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                  • grumble209@kolektiva.socialG grumble209@kolektiva.social

                    @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn It's easy to agree when the ballot has good candidates that just happen to be Democrats. But I think we'll end up disagreeing over voting for shitty Democrats vs shitty Republicans.

                    Personally, I'm getting really tired of taste-testing the shit from both candidates to pick the one that's microscopically less shitty.

                    But let's think happy thoughts and pray that the DNC won't ever again run two shitty presidential candidates without a primary like 2024.

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                    #60

                    @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

                    agreed, with one caveat:

                    the worst dog shit democrat is still not fascism happy MAGA

                    so even if the democrat is the most spineless chuck schumer shitbag, you act tactically, rather than sitting things out and watching us go to fascism

                    it's not a fucking romance

                    it's tactics in a game, to hold the line if not proceed to better, so you at least can go for better tomorrow, rather than putting out fires for decades

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                    • pepijn@mastodon.onlineP pepijn@mastodon.online

                      It's a sad thing that these days there's sooo many ways to read that second paragraph.

                      > superpower which is committed to green energy and science.

                      China?

                      @lionelb @benroyce

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                      #61

                      @Pepijn @benroyce

                      In the real world there is only China. The USA wants to boost global warming as rapidly as possible. China's economy is predicated on renewables.

                      The USA is actively threatening. China is a putative threat.

                      If we set aside history and shared culture, the case is there. Diplomacy is messy.

                      The sole reason to prefer the USA would be the hope that progressives there get their act together.

                      We live on a small planet. There are no magical options.

                      #USpol

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                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                        @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

                        agreed, with one caveat:

                        the worst dog shit democrat is still not fascism happy MAGA

                        so even if the democrat is the most spineless chuck schumer shitbag, you act tactically, rather than sitting things out and watching us go to fascism

                        it's not a fucking romance

                        it's tactics in a game, to hold the line if not proceed to better, so you at least can go for better tomorrow, rather than putting out fires for decades

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                        #62

                        @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn Harris probably wouldn't have sunk a bunch of boats and murdered their sailors before kidnapping Maduro and stealing Venezuela's oil, but Harris would still have supported Israel killing and starving Palestinians just like Trump does.

                        I'm too much of a pussy to look at a starving Palestinian orphan being expelled to Africa and say - hey, you have to understand I was voting *strategically*. 🤷

                        Instead, I get really, really pissed off at the party assholes who put me in this position for the sake of the convenience of their donors.

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                        • grammasaurus@mastodon.socialG grammasaurus@mastodon.social

                          @benroyce @phl I bet I’m not the only American to just now be hearing about this. WTF?!?!

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                          #63

                          @grammasaurus @benroyce @phl
                          iirc crptome.org wrote about it ~2000.

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                          • grumble209@kolektiva.socialG grumble209@kolektiva.social

                            @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn Harris probably wouldn't have sunk a bunch of boats and murdered their sailors before kidnapping Maduro and stealing Venezuela's oil, but Harris would still have supported Israel killing and starving Palestinians just like Trump does.

                            I'm too much of a pussy to look at a starving Palestinian orphan being expelled to Africa and say - hey, you have to understand I was voting *strategically*. 🤷

                            Instead, I get really, really pissed off at the party assholes who put me in this position for the sake of the convenience of their donors.

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                            #64

                            @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

                            no argument

                            as long as you vote

                            harris sucked

                            and what is this MAGA fascism we're seeing? the same?!

                            if you don't vote, and en masse with all the other inflexible dreamers you therefore get worse, what is the fucking point?

                            better

                            or

                            worse

                            *all you ever fucking get in this world*

                            and when you choose better, you ITERATE to even better next time

                            THAT is how you improve the world

                            sitting out until perfect magically appears is impotent insanity

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                            • stevewfolds@mastodon.worldS stevewfolds@mastodon.world

                              @grammasaurus @benroyce @phl
                              iirc crptome.org wrote about it ~2000.

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                              #65

                              @stevewfolds @benroyce @phl While the world was freaking out over Y2K?

                              (only half kidding….)

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                              • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

                                thank you

                                i'm simply a hothead and a loudmouth

                                which is not a virtue

                                but it might be something like a virtue in a shit world such as it is

                                any one who isn't angry isn't paying attention. so therefore all there is that i'm doing of any value is articulating anger. the tragedy would be is that is all i do. so the idea is to do that anger articulating *effectively*: actually change things

                                let's see not only how i can do that, but how all of us can do that

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                                #66

                                @benroyce
                                Ben, you're definitely a loudmouth, but a hothead? Your messages and replies are always eloquent and well thought through. A hothead loses control of themselves. I've never had the feeling you were not in control, even when seething, and rightfully so, with anger. Much appreciated!
                                @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

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                                • eetschrijver@mastodon.socialE eetschrijver@mastodon.social

                                  @benroyce
                                  Ben, you're definitely a loudmouth, but a hothead? Your messages and replies are always eloquent and well thought through. A hothead loses control of themselves. I've never had the feeling you were not in control, even when seething, and rightfully so, with anger. Much appreciated!
                                  @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

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                                  #67

                                  @Eetschrijver @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

                                  as a mindless contrarian, now that you've identified this line, i will do my best to cross it

                                  (just kidding, thanks GJ)

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                                  • pepijn@mastodon.onlineP pepijn@mastodon.online

                                    @benroyce And I must say that I find it harder by the day to hear quotes from US citizens like "I didn't vote for him", "not my president", "not in my name" and especially: "50% of us disagree".

                                    I get it. And I believe people when they say that. It also doesn't mean anything to me. That's internal.

                                    What is external, to me as a citizen of another country, is that the USA -the country, with all the history, friendship & agreements we share- is actively threatening my country with invasion & war.

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                                    #68

                                    @Pepijn
                                    I'd said something like this when I was on FB. Along the lines of "I'm sick of hearing these apologies. You should save that energy and GO DO SOMETHING. We don't want your apologies."

                                    People I've known IRL for ages, progressive types, wailed about how I was attacking them personally. "I've been crying for hours over your hatefulness. What do you expect me to do? I go to the protests in my Big Blue City!"

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                                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                      @Eetschrijver @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

                                      as a mindless contrarian, now that you've identified this line, i will do my best to cross it

                                      (just kidding, thanks GJ)

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                                      #69

                                      @benroyce
                                      Sure, buddy!
                                      @NatureMC @eswag @Pepijn

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                                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                        While we do #Denmark #Danmark #USA #Greenland #Arctic drama, don't forget the #Inuit, the people who live there

                                        #AqqalukLynge, cofounder of Greenland independence party #InuitAtaqatigiit, loudly reminds the world that his homeland is a free and self-governing territory

                                        "It’s really frustrating for us. What do you do with friends that are no longer friends? I don't know"

                                        Whatever issues the Inuit have with #Copenhagen obviously #US #imperialism is far worse

                                        https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/greenland-threats-aqqaluk-lynge-9.7035614

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                                        @benroyce it pains me to say it but a military response could be the only response he understands. Outside of that I have read freedom of association is most likely the option he will look at

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                                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                          @ckd

                                          after one trump term perhaps

                                          but now in 2026 trump has destroyed all trust

                                          this is not recovering quickly

                                          as an american i apologize, and we have a lot of cleaning up to do

                                          do not trust us for a long time, even if you see improvement

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                                          #71

                                          @benroyce

                                          this rests at the feet of the GOP

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