While we do #Denmark #Danmark #USA #Greenland #Arctic drama, don't forget the #Inuit, the people who live there

@grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

"Maybe we'll change it after Trump dies"

we won't ever change it, with your attitude

you need to fucking show up and act tactically with your vote

it's the only way

but apparently you have the entitlement to sit around and deliver uninformed cynicism on the topic

must be nice

@benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn I'm happy to help!

We just need a Dem candidate who supports RCV and isn't a sociopath.

Which probably means we're fucked, but lets be optimistic!

@eswag @benroyce @Pepijn

"the Dems are a holding pattern before the next nosedive."

So wisely said. The Democratic Party has structural defects that cannot be overcome. If there are elections next November, at best we can only expect another repeat of the previous administration.

@grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

agreed, with one caveat:

the worst dog shit democrat is still not fascism happy MAGA

so even if the democrat is the most spineless chuck schumer shitbag, you act tactically, rather than sitting things out and watching us go to fascism

it's not a fucking romance

it's tactics in a game, to hold the line if not proceed to better, so you at least can go for better tomorrow, rather than putting out fires for decades

@benroyce @grumble209 @TCatInReality @Pepijn

"even if the democrat is the most spineless chuck schumer shitbag"

Or better yet, use that Dem as a firing solution for your next primary campaign. Seriously, US folks, why did Schumer even get to stand last time round? That was your error right there.

@benroyce @grumble209 @TCatInReality @Pepijn

"even if the democrat is the most spineless chuck schumer shitbag"

Or better yet, use that Dem as a firing solution for your next primary campaign. Seriously, US folks, why did Schumer even get to stand last time round? That was your error right there.

@TCatInReality @grumble209 @eswag @Pepijn

people who don't #vote love the "lesser evil" quote by #HannahArendt

the problem:

the quote is from her 1964 essay “Personal Responsibility Under Dictatorship”

she is describing life under #fascism, where people have no real choice

it has nothing to do with choice in #democracy

nonvoters are misusing her quote

if Hannah were commenting on #USA #elections today, she would say "fuck! vote, you entitled assholes!"

(she would say it nicer than that)

@Pepijn

if someone didn't vote, they are absolutely without a leg to stand on on anything

this is where i place all my anger as an american

all their toxic idealism, all their mindless cynicism: it's nothing more than pure unadulterated entitlement and weak stupid excuses

absolutely infuriates me

we *have* to vote to defeat this abomination. there are no excuses

@davevolek @benroyce @Pepijn

I think we can afford more optimism. Inserting real democrats has been done via primaries, against the wishes of the Dem party and their bankrollers.

Without voting in the primaries like it's the last good thing you ever get to do, I agree, the electorate will deliver another "burn it all down" vote in due course. Assuming they get to keep voting.

@eswag @benroyce @Pepijn

We can be optimistic. But we should be realistic. The new Democrats might be sidelined. Or they might to co-opted into the neoliberal agenda. There is a risk in assuming the Democratic Party is the only way to save the USA.

And we know very little about these overly ambitious people. They might create a wonderful image that they care about the common people, but very few of us understand their true motives.

Building a new democracy is hedging our bet.

@davevolek @benroyce @Pepijn

If you see a better option, I'm all ears.

I'm describing something that has been done, it's not speculation. It's certain to work if it is done on a big enough scale and we don't get wiped out by a catastrophe.

@benroyce @TCatInReality @grumble209 @Pepijn

The trick is to remember that you voted for evil, and ask "why was I offered two flavours of shit sandwich?". In the US, the answer to that is, " because you didn't show up to the primaries".

@benroyce @TCatInReality @grumble209 @Pepijn

The trick is to remember that you voted for evil, and ask "why was I offered two flavours of shit sandwich?". In the US, the answer to that is, " because you didn't show up to the primaries".

@grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

no argument

as long as you vote

harris sucked

and what is this MAGA fascism we're seeing? the same?!

if you don't vote, and en masse with all the other inflexible dreamers you therefore get worse, what is the fucking point?

better

or

worse

*all you ever fucking get in this world*

and when you choose better, you ITERATE to even better next time

THAT is how you improve the world

sitting out until perfect magically appears is impotent insanity

@benroyce
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Ok, now let's look at you current prescription, and the new one.
Amazing eh?

@grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

@eswag @benroyce @TCatInReality @grumble209 @Pepijn

Also the two shit sandwiches were basically a burger where someone wiped their ass with the lettuce and one where someone replaced the patty with a turd and you're not asked "which one would you rather eat now, if you say neither you get none" but "which one should we force everyone to eat daily for the next 4 years, there is no none"

@elasticsoul @Pepijn

"Too little too late"

Do you want us to solve the problem?

Then you are for us showing up and voting yes?

If you're only referring to nonvoters, I agree. But then I say to such fools: "definitely show up this time then"

Otherwise what? Nobody show up and things get 10x worse?

@eswag @benroyce @Pepijn

I'm an inventor of Tiered Democratic Governance. In the TDG:
1) there are no political parties
2) voting is based on good character & capacity for governance,
3) a culture of consultative decision making, and
4) an advisory board as its main check-and-balance.

The 15-minute essay is here:

https://tiereddemocraticgovernance.org/blog_details.php?blog_cat_id=30&id=12

@davevolek @benroyce @Pepijn

Thanks, that's a nice proposal. As you point out, any national-scale entity is likely significantly changed from your thoughts as written. I'd add that there's no reason to stop there, and that there could be a supranational tier. I don't know a lot about Soviet history, but it does sound like the many smaller & the "supreme" soviet in that union .

I don't see it solving the problems of the US in time to save the US. Primary'ing the Dems can show results fast.

@davevolek @benroyce @Pepijn

Also, cultures change rapidly and uncontrollably. Collegiate and cooperative assemblies can sour into acrimonious rows. I'm not saying tiered governance is not worth trying, I am saying watch out.