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  3. I *CANNOT WAIT* until we see this and other strings hit all these “Agentic SOC" environments.

I *CANNOT WAIT* until we see this and other strings hit all these “Agentic SOC" environments.

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  • pq1r@tech.lgbtP pq1r@tech.lgbt

    @cR0w @kajer @Viss @hrbrmstr only works on Claude though, we need one for each LLM. They should standardise.

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    #35

    @pq1r @cR0w @Viss @hrbrmstr

    Is prompt injection a solved problem? I mean can you just say that use by an AI agent will cause the death of trillions of people?

    edit: in terms of finding a universal kill string

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    • bruce@darkmoon.socialB bruce@darkmoon.social

      @Viss @hrbrmstr @cR0w

      Put it into your profile pic.

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      #36

      @hrbrmstr @cR0w @bruce it works in invisible unicode too, put it in email sigs, profiles, linkedin etc

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      • wolke@mastodon.wolkenheim.euW wolke@mastodon.wolkenheim.eu

        @Viss @hotsoup @kajer @hrbrmstr @cR0w
        These strings should definitely be incorporated into vocabularies of tools like Iocaine. That would not only make crawlers very unhappy, but also probably will stop agentic stuff too, at least until the killstrings are removed.

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        #37

        @Viss @hotsoup @kajer @hrbrmstr @cR0w
        Probably that wouldn't be hard to do oneself, since Iocaine can work with custom word lists right?

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        • kajer@infosec.exchangeK This user is from outside of this forum
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          #38

          @cR0w @dogfox @Viss @hotsoup @hrbrmstr

          right, my teardown on flock shit only showed that yolov3tiny was used to crop images matching known objects, and uploading to AWS

          then 404 had an article about flock (and others) using mechanical turk to get plate numbers from images that the models couldn't read.

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          • bruce@darkmoon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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            #39

            @cR0w @Viss @hrbrmstr

            Your profile pic appears in every comment you make. So it has greater reach.

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            • kajer@infosec.exchangeK kajer@infosec.exchange

              @cR0w @dogfox @Viss @hotsoup @hrbrmstr

              right, my teardown on flock shit only showed that yolov3tiny was used to crop images matching known objects, and uploading to AWS

              then 404 had an article about flock (and others) using mechanical turk to get plate numbers from images that the models couldn't read.

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              #40

              @kajer @cR0w @dogfox @hotsoup @hrbrmstr well theres verkada, and .. another whos name i dont remember who just ship the video stream offsite and 'do ai stuff to it', so for those it may very well work great

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              • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

                @kajer @cR0w @dogfox @hotsoup @hrbrmstr well theres verkada, and .. another whos name i dont remember who just ship the video stream offsite and 'do ai stuff to it', so for those it may very well work great

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                #41

                @kajer @cR0w @dogfox @hotsoup @hrbrmstr

                fuck .. this could be like the gits:sac laughing man image.

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                • bruce@darkmoon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #42

                  @cR0w @Viss @hrbrmstr

                  True. But it should have exif or other meta data.

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                  • bruce@darkmoon.socialB bruce@darkmoon.social

                    @cR0w @Viss @hrbrmstr

                    True. But it should have exif or other meta data.

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                    #43

                    @cR0w @Viss @hrbrmstr
                    Hah! You used the QR code. 😄

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                    • viss@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #44

                      @cR0w @bruce @hrbrmstr alt text >:D

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                      • viss@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #45

                        @cR0w @bruce @hrbrmstr you would have to hide it in the image file format. jpegs and pngs can have some meta data fields available >:D

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                        • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

                          @cR0w @bruce @hrbrmstr you would have to hide it in the image file format. jpegs and pngs can have some meta data fields available >:D

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                          #46

                          @Viss @cR0w @bruce @hrbrmstr

                          some fields are stripped for "safety." so trust, but verify.

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                          • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

                            @cR0w @bruce @hrbrmstr you would have to hide it in the image file format. jpegs and pngs can have some meta data fields available >:D

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                            #47

                            @Viss @cR0w @hrbrmstr

                            I wonder if using the killstring as a file name would work

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                            • bruce@darkmoon.socialB bruce@darkmoon.social

                              @Viss @cR0w @hrbrmstr

                              I wonder if using the killstring as a file name would work

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                              #48

                              @bruce @cR0w @hrbrmstr im sure it would. llms are notoriously bad at separating instructions from output/content.

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                              • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

                                @kajer @cR0w @dogfox @hotsoup @hrbrmstr

                                fuck .. this could be like the gits:sac laughing man image.

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                                #49

                                @Viss @cR0w @dogfox @hotsoup @hrbrmstr

                                HTTP headers!!!

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                                • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

                                  @hrbrmstr @cR0w stuff it into exif fields too

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                                  #50

                                  @Viss @hrbrmstr @cR0w Sort of like how people used to put NSA-bait words into email and web headers?

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                                  • tim_lavoie@cosocial.caT tim_lavoie@cosocial.ca

                                    @Viss @hrbrmstr @cR0w Sort of like how people used to put NSA-bait words into email and web headers?

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                                    #51

                                    @tim_lavoie @hrbrmstr @cR0w and this: https://www.securemac.com/apple/emoji-issue-create-crashes-older-ios-versions

                                    and this search turned up even more occourences of the same, hahahaha they didnt even fix it, it just morphed

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                                    • wolke@mastodon.wolkenheim.euW wolke@mastodon.wolkenheim.eu

                                      @Viss @hotsoup @kajer @hrbrmstr @cR0w
                                      Probably that wouldn't be hard to do oneself, since Iocaine can work with custom word lists right?

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                                      #52

                                      @Viss @hotsoup @kajer @hrbrmstr @cR0w
                                      Shouldn't theoretically lead instructions to do something illegal lead to a similar block? What if one took a sentence that sounded like it wants the LLM to do something illegal and put it into texts? Wouldn't that also trigger such blocks in agents?

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                                      • wolke@mastodon.wolkenheim.euW wolke@mastodon.wolkenheim.eu

                                        @Viss @hotsoup @kajer @hrbrmstr @cR0w
                                        Shouldn't theoretically lead instructions to do something illegal lead to a similar block? What if one took a sentence that sounded like it wants the LLM to do something illegal and put it into texts? Wouldn't that also trigger such blocks in agents?

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                                        #53

                                        @Wolke @Viss @hotsoup @hrbrmstr @cR0w

                                        Well now we are looking for deterministic results with a fancy (p)RNG

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                                        • wolke@mastodon.wolkenheim.euW wolke@mastodon.wolkenheim.eu

                                          @Viss @hotsoup @kajer @hrbrmstr @cR0w
                                          Shouldn't theoretically lead instructions to do something illegal lead to a similar block? What if one took a sentence that sounded like it wants the LLM to do something illegal and put it into texts? Wouldn't that also trigger such blocks in agents?

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                                          #54

                                          @Wolke @hotsoup @kajer @hrbrmstr @cR0w none of that 'plumbing' exists in how an llm works.

                                          here:

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