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Today we're sharing the first in a series of three posts from our leadership team, starting with @mellifluousbox discussing our mission, and priorities for 2026.

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  • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

    @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

    No, I would attack the government and steer people to servers out of their reach. An admin hassled one too many times by cops might even need to move their own account to one if the cops go after their hosting

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    #59

    @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

    again that's all fine and good

    but if you're asking a server to shut down with thousands of accounts when people can just enter a fake birthday it's far too dramatic

    effective resistance is not about purity

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    • ariarhythmic@ohai.socialA ariarhythmic@ohai.social

      @Mastodon @mellifluousbox If Mastodon implements age verification, we leave.

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      #60

      @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox There will ALWAYS be noncompliant servers run by people who never travel to the US , the EU, the UK, or Austrailai. Also ones run by crews who know how to obfuscate ownerahip and get offshore hosting.

      That's where you will also find me-on noncompliant servers

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      • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

        @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Some do not have or want credit cards and will simply use other servers.

        There is no way any regime can shut down access to every non-agr verification compliant server. Limits on federation woulf just split the fediverse into two networks which would inevitanly be bridged back together.

        FL cannot even stop Pornhub: they just block conmections from FL IP addresses and gladly take Tor and VPN traffic

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        #61

        @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

        you mean tor and VPN providers that spy on the people who use it because anyone using that it is flagging their activity as sensitive?

        tor was started at the us naval research laboratory for dissidents in countries unfriendly to the usa

        you think they don't have enough exit nodes to see what is going on?

        and mastodon needs support

        i'd almost (i said almost) support the idea of mandatory ccs on sign up with or without id laws

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        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

          @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

          again that's all fine and good

          but if you're asking a server to shut down with thousands of accounts when people can just enter a fake birthday it's far too dramatic

          effective resistance is not about purity

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          #62

          @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron Some servers are much smaller and can provide their users wirh migration tips.

          This is what blackblogs.org did when running a US based anarchist wordpress hosting server got too dangerous: they shut doen, and steered people like myself to noblogs.org and other non-US alternatives, plus guides to moving content over. I didn't lose any content at all

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          • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

            @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron Some servers are much smaller and can provide their users wirh migration tips.

            This is what blackblogs.org did when running a US based anarchist wordpress hosting server got too dangerous: they shut doen, and steered people like myself to noblogs.org and other non-US alternatives, plus guides to moving content over. I didn't lose any content at all

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            #63

            @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

            great

            would you characterize yourself as the average mastodon user? or more broadly, the average social media user?

            most people want to sign onto a server, browse, and post

            that's it

            you can't go after them for that, people don't have the bandwidth or time for the hassles

            and we can't become a tiny whisper of a cryptic fringe to adhere to some unnecessary purity test

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            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

              @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

              you mean tor and VPN providers that spy on the people who use it because anyone using that it is flagging their activity as sensitive?

              tor was started at the us naval research laboratory for dissidents in countries unfriendly to the usa

              you think they don't have enough exit nodes to see what is going on?

              and mastodon needs support

              i'd almost (i said almost) support the idea of mandatory ccs on sign up with or without id laws

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              #64

              @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic .onion access bypasses exit nodes enrirely. If Tor gets compromised dozens of nations find their intelligence services lose covert communication except by direct radio or sattelite. If civilian traffic is blocked or driven off, spy traffic then instantly stands out.

              Too many armies need Tor to kill it

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              • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic .onion access bypasses exit nodes enrirely. If Tor gets compromised dozens of nations find their intelligence services lose covert communication except by direct radio or sattelite. If civilian traffic is blocked or driven off, spy traffic then instantly stands out.

                Too many armies need Tor to kill it

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                #65

                @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                .onion doesn't use exit nodes but it uses rendezvous nodes

                and nobody wants to kill tor, the intelligence services love it

                the foolishness is people who think something built by the us govt is perfectly anonymous

                it *is* anonymous. to most every other entity

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                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                  @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                  great

                  would you characterize yourself as the average mastodon user? or more broadly, the average social media user?

                  most people want to sign onto a server, browse, and post

                  that's it

                  you can't go after them for that, people don't have the bandwidth or time for the hassles

                  and we can't become a tiny whisper of a cryptic fringe to adhere to some unnecessary purity test

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                  #66

                  @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                  That means they will find servers that fit their needs, just as folks in my position find servers that fit our needs. Mastodon is NOT like Twitter or FB wirh a single server farm and one set of rules for all.

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                  • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                    @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                    That means they will find servers that fit their needs, just as folks in my position find servers that fit our needs. Mastodon is NOT like Twitter or FB wirh a single server farm and one set of rules for all.

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                    #67

                    @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                    zero argument

                    and if you make the services you talk about user friendly enough that the average social media user can point and click and zero hassle, even better

                    until then, some servers are stuck in unfriendly districts

                    and that's not their fault

                    the govt is at fault

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                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                      @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                      .onion doesn't use exit nodes but it uses rendezvous nodes

                      and nobody wants to kill tor, the intelligence services love it

                      the foolishness is people who think something built by the us govt is perfectly anonymous

                      it *is* anonymous. to most every other entity

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                      #68

                      @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Perfect security would require our own hardware down to our own fabs making our own silicon. Then we'd have to bridge a new protocol we own over clearnet on the model of the US Government's own SIPRNET classified comms network.

                      It's easy enough to tell who I am by my writing style. Things like Tor let my bypass censors more than hide who I am.

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                      • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                        @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Perfect security would require our own hardware down to our own fabs making our own silicon. Then we'd have to bridge a new protocol we own over clearnet on the model of the US Government's own SIPRNET classified comms network.

                        It's easy enough to tell who I am by my writing style. Things like Tor let my bypass censors more than hide who I am.

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                        #69

                        @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                        understood

                        but we're now very far away from your average normie who just wants to see cat pictures

                        and that's where this topic truly lies

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                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                          @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                          understood

                          but we're now very far away from your average normie who just wants to see cat pictures

                          and that's where this topic truly lies

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                          #70

                          @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Indeed so. Totally different needs and it goes both ways. An activist video server for instance could not handle doing 10x its bandwidth in cat videos, a server optimized for easy use to poat cat videos might not be safe going forward for posting videos of police brutality.

                          As different as a cruise ship and a destroyer, a Cessna and a Spitfire.

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                          • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                            @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Indeed so. Totally different needs and it goes both ways. An activist video server for instance could not handle doing 10x its bandwidth in cat videos, a server optimized for easy use to poat cat videos might not be safe going forward for posting videos of police brutality.

                            As different as a cruise ship and a destroyer, a Cessna and a Spitfire.

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                            #71

                            @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                            100%

                            and that's why we can't do purity tests on resistance

                            purity tests destroy effective resistance

                            effective resistance that isn't pure is not a betrayal

                            we resist how we can, in the ways we can

                            this isn't an argument against your words, i'm just harking back to the argument up higher

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                            • ariarhythmic@ohai.socialA ariarhythmic@ohai.social

                              @benroyce @starlily Have you ever heard of the idea of disobedience?

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                              #72

                              @ariarhythmic @benroyce @starlily Great, fascism will make good Mastodon instances have the same status as BitTorrent trackers and pirate streaming websites!

                              Well, the tracker I used to contribute for is still up even today, thus we may think disobedience is fine, they will not go for small instances. On the other hand, it's a false correlation: one thing is Crunchyroll, Netflix and other companies choosing not to go against small groups because they may die out of just from not getting enough donations, other thing is fascist governments. They are already going against individuals, people fear ICE, as an example.

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                              • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                i yearly enjoy the services that sometimes say happy birthday to me...

                                on the fake birthday i've been entering since forever

                                🤭

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                                #73

                                @benroyce @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic LOL, yes. I am so used to fake birthdays that I have to make an extra effort to enter the correct one if needed.

                                I oopsied my birthday for an online plane ticket booking after 9/11. No issue. Got to fly as booked.

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                                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                  @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                  100%

                                  and that's why we can't do purity tests on resistance

                                  purity tests destroy effective resistance

                                  effective resistance that isn't pure is not a betrayal

                                  we resist how we can, in the ways we can

                                  this isn't an argument against your words, i'm just harking back to the argument up higher

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                                  #74

                                  @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Back in the 2010 era, some DC animal rights activists discovered that selective use of "vegan purity testing" was a simple and effective way to drive out suspected undercover cops.

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                                  • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                                    @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Back in the 2010 era, some DC animal rights activists discovered that selective use of "vegan purity testing" was a simple and effective way to drive out suspected undercover cops.

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                                    #75

                                    @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                    well yeah

                                    and new gang recruits are asked to shoot someone in the head as they watch for much the same reason

                                    neither of which tell us much about the topic here

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                                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                      @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

                                      the problem isn't mastodon it's your govt

                                      if mastodon servers don't implement age verification in those jurisdictions that make it law, those servers get shut down by that govt

                                      so you're blaming the wrong entity

                                      are you really asking servers to face legal punishment and then get shut down anyway?

                                      don't get me wrong: be angry

                                      *at your govt*

                                      not mastodon

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                                      #76

                                      @benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox No, they cannot get shut down by a government they're not operating under. If there's a threat, move legal operations & hosting out of the jurisdiction and obfuscate physical location of servers behind VPNs. Don't fucking comply.

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