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  3. Today we're sharing the first in a series of three posts from our leadership team, starting with @mellifluousbox discussing our mission, and priorities for 2026.

Today we're sharing the first in a series of three posts from our leadership team, starting with @mellifluousbox discussing our mission, and priorities for 2026.

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  • nitrml@tyrol.socialN nitrml@tyrol.social

    @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

    1. Mastodon's code already includes a setting which server admins can enable to set a minimum age for their server, which will ask for a date of birth to be entered during sign-up. The date of birth is not stored, only checked once. This has been part of Mastodon's code since multiple months now: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/34150

    2. What they say in the blog is that they will audit the GmbH's own servers, which probably includes an audit of this feature.

    3. The interesting stuff is what that "working group" will come up with.

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    #47

    @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

    thank you

    you educated me

    {hat tip}

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    • nitrml@tyrol.socialN nitrml@tyrol.social

      @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

      1. Mastodon's code already includes a setting which server admins can enable to set a minimum age for their server, which will ask for a date of birth to be entered during sign-up. The date of birth is not stored, only checked once. This has been part of Mastodon's code since multiple months now: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/34150

      2. What they say in the blog is that they will audit the GmbH's own servers, which probably includes an audit of this feature.

      3. The interesting stuff is what that "working group" will come up with.

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      #48

      @nitrml @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Age verification won't, of course, stop someone from setting up their own server.

      ... which, at least regarding the federation choices this little node will be making... Is enough of its own age-gating process that we will welcome all nodes regardless of age of their admins. 😉

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      • mark@mastodon.fixermark.comM mark@mastodon.fixermark.com

        @nitrml @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Age verification won't, of course, stop someone from setting up their own server.

        ... which, at least regarding the federation choices this little node will be making... Is enough of its own age-gating process that we will welcome all nodes regardless of age of their admins. 😉

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        #49

        @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

        which is great of you, thank you

        ...and your stance is dependent upon the legalities of your jurisdiction

        so people who do enable the age verification are not assholes, they just don't want their govt coming after them

        and your own govt may change its mind, then you have to think about it

        the problem is govt

        not mastodon admins

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        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

          @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

          which is great of you, thank you

          ...and your stance is dependent upon the legalities of your jurisdiction

          so people who do enable the age verification are not assholes, they just don't want their govt coming after them

          and your own govt may change its mind, then you have to think about it

          the problem is govt

          not mastodon admins

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          #50

          @benroyce @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic All of this is very good insight.

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          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

            @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

            My understanding is that they will be making the software updates available to other servers that are also forced to comply or get shut down. Is my understanding wrong? It could be

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            #51

            @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

            I for one will not remain on any server that asks for ID, treating such a thing as being a shutdown.If I have to move everything to the darknet I can and I will.

            Single-user Mastodon servers hosted at home could make age verification useless.Torified federation if supoortes could prevent ISP blocking, as can mesh networking in built-up areas.

            Even if this goes all the way to shuting down things like Signal, Matrix and other decentralozed altetnatives will be very hard to shut down.

            Then there is Diaspora: I don't know a whole lot about it but it's supposed to work like Facebook UI wise but with distributee hosting on the backend

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            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

              @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

              which is great of you, thank you

              ...and your stance is dependent upon the legalities of your jurisdiction

              so people who do enable the age verification are not assholes, they just don't want their govt coming after them

              and your own govt may change its mind, then you have to think about it

              the problem is govt

              not mastodon admins

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              #52

              @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Shutting down is also an option. I could not in good conscience run anything that asks for ID. If I owned a store I would refuse to carry age restriced products for the same reason.

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              • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                I for one will not remain on any server that asks for ID, treating such a thing as being a shutdown.If I have to move everything to the darknet I can and I will.

                Single-user Mastodon servers hosted at home could make age verification useless.Torified federation if supoortes could prevent ISP blocking, as can mesh networking in built-up areas.

                Even if this goes all the way to shuting down things like Signal, Matrix and other decentralozed altetnatives will be very hard to shut down.

                Then there is Diaspora: I don't know a whole lot about it but it's supposed to work like Facebook UI wise but with distributee hosting on the backend

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                #53

                @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                which is all fine and good, because you're talking tactics not emotional grand standing

                what you won't do therefore is attack some admin of a server of thousands or more for doing what they *have* to do so the govt doesn't knock on their door

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                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                  @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                  which is great of you, thank you

                  ...and your stance is dependent upon the legalities of your jurisdiction

                  so people who do enable the age verification are not assholes, they just don't want their govt coming after them

                  and your own govt may change its mind, then you have to think about it

                  the problem is govt

                  not mastodon admins

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                  #54

                  @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic The PR only adds an option to ask age, not to use a 3ed party AI verificstion "service" or read an ID. By itsrlf that's a nothingburger but I would still turn it off legal or otherwise on any server I ran.

                  Note that birthdays are dangerous in the hands of an atacker, so never enter your real one for any account anywhere. Let the account go if challenged

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                  • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                    @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Shutting down is also an option. I could not in good conscience run anything that asks for ID. If I owned a store I would refuse to carry age restriced products for the same reason.

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                    #55

                    @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                    what do you think about my post above asking for a credit card?

                    it achieves the same effect, and no one is getting a credit card without id. no server is getting your id and the security hassle with that, and you're not revealing your id anymore than it already has been

                    the big benefit: with your cc already attached to your profile, donating to your server becomes a breeze. and more people should be doing that

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                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                      @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                      which is all fine and good, because you're talking tactics not emotional grand standing

                      what you won't do therefore is attack some admin of a server of thousands or more for doing what they *have* to do so the govt doesn't knock on their door

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                      #56

                      @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                      No, I would attack the government and steer people to servers out of their reach. An admin hassled one too many times by cops might even need to move their own account to one if the cops go after their hosting

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                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                        @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                        what do you think about my post above asking for a credit card?

                        it achieves the same effect, and no one is getting a credit card without id. no server is getting your id and the security hassle with that, and you're not revealing your id anymore than it already has been

                        the big benefit: with your cc already attached to your profile, donating to your server becomes a breeze. and more people should be doing that

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                        #57

                        @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Some do not have or want credit cards and will simply use other servers.

                        There is no way any regime can shut down access to every non-agr verification compliant server. Limits on federation woulf just split the fediverse into two networks which would inevitanly be bridged back together.

                        FL cannot even stop Pornhub: they just block conmections from FL IP addresses and gladly take Tor and VPN traffic

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                        • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                          @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic The PR only adds an option to ask age, not to use a 3ed party AI verificstion "service" or read an ID. By itsrlf that's a nothingburger but I would still turn it off legal or otherwise on any server I ran.

                          Note that birthdays are dangerous in the hands of an atacker, so never enter your real one for any account anywhere. Let the account go if challenged

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                          #58

                          @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                          i yearly enjoy the services that sometimes say happy birthday to me...

                          on the fake birthday i've been entering since forever

                          🤭

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                          • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                            @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                            No, I would attack the government and steer people to servers out of their reach. An admin hassled one too many times by cops might even need to move their own account to one if the cops go after their hosting

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                            #59

                            @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                            again that's all fine and good

                            but if you're asking a server to shut down with thousands of accounts when people can just enter a fake birthday it's far too dramatic

                            effective resistance is not about purity

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                            • ariarhythmic@ohai.socialA ariarhythmic@ohai.social

                              @Mastodon @mellifluousbox If Mastodon implements age verification, we leave.

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                              #60

                              @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox There will ALWAYS be noncompliant servers run by people who never travel to the US , the EU, the UK, or Austrailai. Also ones run by crews who know how to obfuscate ownerahip and get offshore hosting.

                              That's where you will also find me-on noncompliant servers

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                              • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                                @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Some do not have or want credit cards and will simply use other servers.

                                There is no way any regime can shut down access to every non-agr verification compliant server. Limits on federation woulf just split the fediverse into two networks which would inevitanly be bridged back together.

                                FL cannot even stop Pornhub: they just block conmections from FL IP addresses and gladly take Tor and VPN traffic

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                                #61

                                @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                you mean tor and VPN providers that spy on the people who use it because anyone using that it is flagging their activity as sensitive?

                                tor was started at the us naval research laboratory for dissidents in countries unfriendly to the usa

                                you think they don't have enough exit nodes to see what is going on?

                                and mastodon needs support

                                i'd almost (i said almost) support the idea of mandatory ccs on sign up with or without id laws

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                                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                  @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                                  again that's all fine and good

                                  but if you're asking a server to shut down with thousands of accounts when people can just enter a fake birthday it's far too dramatic

                                  effective resistance is not about purity

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                                  #62

                                  @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron Some servers are much smaller and can provide their users wirh migration tips.

                                  This is what blackblogs.org did when running a US based anarchist wordpress hosting server got too dangerous: they shut doen, and steered people like myself to noblogs.org and other non-US alternatives, plus guides to moving content over. I didn't lose any content at all

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                                  • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                                    @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron Some servers are much smaller and can provide their users wirh migration tips.

                                    This is what blackblogs.org did when running a US based anarchist wordpress hosting server got too dangerous: they shut doen, and steered people like myself to noblogs.org and other non-US alternatives, plus guides to moving content over. I didn't lose any content at all

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                                    #63

                                    @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                                    great

                                    would you characterize yourself as the average mastodon user? or more broadly, the average social media user?

                                    most people want to sign onto a server, browse, and post

                                    that's it

                                    you can't go after them for that, people don't have the bandwidth or time for the hassles

                                    and we can't become a tiny whisper of a cryptic fringe to adhere to some unnecessary purity test

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                                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                      @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                      you mean tor and VPN providers that spy on the people who use it because anyone using that it is flagging their activity as sensitive?

                                      tor was started at the us naval research laboratory for dissidents in countries unfriendly to the usa

                                      you think they don't have enough exit nodes to see what is going on?

                                      and mastodon needs support

                                      i'd almost (i said almost) support the idea of mandatory ccs on sign up with or without id laws

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                                      #64

                                      @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic .onion access bypasses exit nodes enrirely. If Tor gets compromised dozens of nations find their intelligence services lose covert communication except by direct radio or sattelite. If civilian traffic is blocked or driven off, spy traffic then instantly stands out.

                                      Too many armies need Tor to kill it

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                                      • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                                        @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic .onion access bypasses exit nodes enrirely. If Tor gets compromised dozens of nations find their intelligence services lose covert communication except by direct radio or sattelite. If civilian traffic is blocked or driven off, spy traffic then instantly stands out.

                                        Too many armies need Tor to kill it

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                                        @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                        .onion doesn't use exit nodes but it uses rendezvous nodes

                                        and nobody wants to kill tor, the intelligence services love it

                                        the foolishness is people who think something built by the us govt is perfectly anonymous

                                        it *is* anonymous. to most every other entity

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                                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                          @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                                          great

                                          would you characterize yourself as the average mastodon user? or more broadly, the average social media user?

                                          most people want to sign onto a server, browse, and post

                                          that's it

                                          you can't go after them for that, people don't have the bandwidth or time for the hassles

                                          and we can't become a tiny whisper of a cryptic fringe to adhere to some unnecessary purity test

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                                          #66

                                          @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                                          That means they will find servers that fit their needs, just as folks in my position find servers that fit our needs. Mastodon is NOT like Twitter or FB wirh a single server farm and one set of rules for all.

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