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Today we're sharing the first in a series of three posts from our leadership team, starting with @mellifluousbox discussing our mission, and priorities for 2026.

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  • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

    @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

    I for one will not remain on any server that asks for ID, treating such a thing as being a shutdown.If I have to move everything to the darknet I can and I will.

    Single-user Mastodon servers hosted at home could make age verification useless.Torified federation if supoortes could prevent ISP blocking, as can mesh networking in built-up areas.

    Even if this goes all the way to shuting down things like Signal, Matrix and other decentralozed altetnatives will be very hard to shut down.

    Then there is Diaspora: I don't know a whole lot about it but it's supposed to work like Facebook UI wise but with distributee hosting on the backend

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    #53

    @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

    which is all fine and good, because you're talking tactics not emotional grand standing

    what you won't do therefore is attack some admin of a server of thousands or more for doing what they *have* to do so the govt doesn't knock on their door

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    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

      @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

      which is great of you, thank you

      ...and your stance is dependent upon the legalities of your jurisdiction

      so people who do enable the age verification are not assholes, they just don't want their govt coming after them

      and your own govt may change its mind, then you have to think about it

      the problem is govt

      not mastodon admins

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      #54

      @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic The PR only adds an option to ask age, not to use a 3ed party AI verificstion "service" or read an ID. By itsrlf that's a nothingburger but I would still turn it off legal or otherwise on any server I ran.

      Note that birthdays are dangerous in the hands of an atacker, so never enter your real one for any account anywhere. Let the account go if challenged

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      • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

        @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Shutting down is also an option. I could not in good conscience run anything that asks for ID. If I owned a store I would refuse to carry age restriced products for the same reason.

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        #55

        @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

        what do you think about my post above asking for a credit card?

        it achieves the same effect, and no one is getting a credit card without id. no server is getting your id and the security hassle with that, and you're not revealing your id anymore than it already has been

        the big benefit: with your cc already attached to your profile, donating to your server becomes a breeze. and more people should be doing that

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        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

          @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

          which is all fine and good, because you're talking tactics not emotional grand standing

          what you won't do therefore is attack some admin of a server of thousands or more for doing what they *have* to do so the govt doesn't knock on their door

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          #56

          @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

          No, I would attack the government and steer people to servers out of their reach. An admin hassled one too many times by cops might even need to move their own account to one if the cops go after their hosting

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          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

            @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

            what do you think about my post above asking for a credit card?

            it achieves the same effect, and no one is getting a credit card without id. no server is getting your id and the security hassle with that, and you're not revealing your id anymore than it already has been

            the big benefit: with your cc already attached to your profile, donating to your server becomes a breeze. and more people should be doing that

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            #57

            @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Some do not have or want credit cards and will simply use other servers.

            There is no way any regime can shut down access to every non-agr verification compliant server. Limits on federation woulf just split the fediverse into two networks which would inevitanly be bridged back together.

            FL cannot even stop Pornhub: they just block conmections from FL IP addresses and gladly take Tor and VPN traffic

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            • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

              @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic The PR only adds an option to ask age, not to use a 3ed party AI verificstion "service" or read an ID. By itsrlf that's a nothingburger but I would still turn it off legal or otherwise on any server I ran.

              Note that birthdays are dangerous in the hands of an atacker, so never enter your real one for any account anywhere. Let the account go if challenged

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              #58

              @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

              i yearly enjoy the services that sometimes say happy birthday to me...

              on the fake birthday i've been entering since forever

              🤭

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              • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                No, I would attack the government and steer people to servers out of their reach. An admin hassled one too many times by cops might even need to move their own account to one if the cops go after their hosting

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                #59

                @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                again that's all fine and good

                but if you're asking a server to shut down with thousands of accounts when people can just enter a fake birthday it's far too dramatic

                effective resistance is not about purity

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                • ariarhythmic@ohai.socialA ariarhythmic@ohai.social

                  @Mastodon @mellifluousbox If Mastodon implements age verification, we leave.

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                  #60

                  @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox There will ALWAYS be noncompliant servers run by people who never travel to the US , the EU, the UK, or Austrailai. Also ones run by crews who know how to obfuscate ownerahip and get offshore hosting.

                  That's where you will also find me-on noncompliant servers

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                  • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                    @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Some do not have or want credit cards and will simply use other servers.

                    There is no way any regime can shut down access to every non-agr verification compliant server. Limits on federation woulf just split the fediverse into two networks which would inevitanly be bridged back together.

                    FL cannot even stop Pornhub: they just block conmections from FL IP addresses and gladly take Tor and VPN traffic

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                    #61

                    @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                    you mean tor and VPN providers that spy on the people who use it because anyone using that it is flagging their activity as sensitive?

                    tor was started at the us naval research laboratory for dissidents in countries unfriendly to the usa

                    you think they don't have enough exit nodes to see what is going on?

                    and mastodon needs support

                    i'd almost (i said almost) support the idea of mandatory ccs on sign up with or without id laws

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                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                      @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                      again that's all fine and good

                      but if you're asking a server to shut down with thousands of accounts when people can just enter a fake birthday it's far too dramatic

                      effective resistance is not about purity

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                      #62

                      @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron Some servers are much smaller and can provide their users wirh migration tips.

                      This is what blackblogs.org did when running a US based anarchist wordpress hosting server got too dangerous: they shut doen, and steered people like myself to noblogs.org and other non-US alternatives, plus guides to moving content over. I didn't lose any content at all

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                      • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                        @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron Some servers are much smaller and can provide their users wirh migration tips.

                        This is what blackblogs.org did when running a US based anarchist wordpress hosting server got too dangerous: they shut doen, and steered people like myself to noblogs.org and other non-US alternatives, plus guides to moving content over. I didn't lose any content at all

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                        #63

                        @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                        great

                        would you characterize yourself as the average mastodon user? or more broadly, the average social media user?

                        most people want to sign onto a server, browse, and post

                        that's it

                        you can't go after them for that, people don't have the bandwidth or time for the hassles

                        and we can't become a tiny whisper of a cryptic fringe to adhere to some unnecessary purity test

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                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                          @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                          you mean tor and VPN providers that spy on the people who use it because anyone using that it is flagging their activity as sensitive?

                          tor was started at the us naval research laboratory for dissidents in countries unfriendly to the usa

                          you think they don't have enough exit nodes to see what is going on?

                          and mastodon needs support

                          i'd almost (i said almost) support the idea of mandatory ccs on sign up with or without id laws

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                          #64

                          @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic .onion access bypasses exit nodes enrirely. If Tor gets compromised dozens of nations find their intelligence services lose covert communication except by direct radio or sattelite. If civilian traffic is blocked or driven off, spy traffic then instantly stands out.

                          Too many armies need Tor to kill it

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                          • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                            @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic .onion access bypasses exit nodes enrirely. If Tor gets compromised dozens of nations find their intelligence services lose covert communication except by direct radio or sattelite. If civilian traffic is blocked or driven off, spy traffic then instantly stands out.

                            Too many armies need Tor to kill it

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                            #65

                            @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                            .onion doesn't use exit nodes but it uses rendezvous nodes

                            and nobody wants to kill tor, the intelligence services love it

                            the foolishness is people who think something built by the us govt is perfectly anonymous

                            it *is* anonymous. to most every other entity

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                            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                              @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                              great

                              would you characterize yourself as the average mastodon user? or more broadly, the average social media user?

                              most people want to sign onto a server, browse, and post

                              that's it

                              you can't go after them for that, people don't have the bandwidth or time for the hassles

                              and we can't become a tiny whisper of a cryptic fringe to adhere to some unnecessary purity test

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                              #66

                              @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                              That means they will find servers that fit their needs, just as folks in my position find servers that fit our needs. Mastodon is NOT like Twitter or FB wirh a single server farm and one set of rules for all.

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                              • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                                @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                                That means they will find servers that fit their needs, just as folks in my position find servers that fit our needs. Mastodon is NOT like Twitter or FB wirh a single server farm and one set of rules for all.

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                                #67

                                @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                                zero argument

                                and if you make the services you talk about user friendly enough that the average social media user can point and click and zero hassle, even better

                                until then, some servers are stuck in unfriendly districts

                                and that's not their fault

                                the govt is at fault

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                                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                  @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                  .onion doesn't use exit nodes but it uses rendezvous nodes

                                  and nobody wants to kill tor, the intelligence services love it

                                  the foolishness is people who think something built by the us govt is perfectly anonymous

                                  it *is* anonymous. to most every other entity

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                                  #68

                                  @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Perfect security would require our own hardware down to our own fabs making our own silicon. Then we'd have to bridge a new protocol we own over clearnet on the model of the US Government's own SIPRNET classified comms network.

                                  It's easy enough to tell who I am by my writing style. Things like Tor let my bypass censors more than hide who I am.

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                                  • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                                    @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Perfect security would require our own hardware down to our own fabs making our own silicon. Then we'd have to bridge a new protocol we own over clearnet on the model of the US Government's own SIPRNET classified comms network.

                                    It's easy enough to tell who I am by my writing style. Things like Tor let my bypass censors more than hide who I am.

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                                    #69

                                    @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                    understood

                                    but we're now very far away from your average normie who just wants to see cat pictures

                                    and that's where this topic truly lies

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                                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                      @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                      understood

                                      but we're now very far away from your average normie who just wants to see cat pictures

                                      and that's where this topic truly lies

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                                      #70

                                      @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Indeed so. Totally different needs and it goes both ways. An activist video server for instance could not handle doing 10x its bandwidth in cat videos, a server optimized for easy use to poat cat videos might not be safe going forward for posting videos of police brutality.

                                      As different as a cruise ship and a destroyer, a Cessna and a Spitfire.

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                                      • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                                        @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Indeed so. Totally different needs and it goes both ways. An activist video server for instance could not handle doing 10x its bandwidth in cat videos, a server optimized for easy use to poat cat videos might not be safe going forward for posting videos of police brutality.

                                        As different as a cruise ship and a destroyer, a Cessna and a Spitfire.

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                                        #71

                                        @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                        100%

                                        and that's why we can't do purity tests on resistance

                                        purity tests destroy effective resistance

                                        effective resistance that isn't pure is not a betrayal

                                        we resist how we can, in the ways we can

                                        this isn't an argument against your words, i'm just harking back to the argument up higher

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                                        • ariarhythmic@ohai.socialA ariarhythmic@ohai.social

                                          @benroyce @starlily Have you ever heard of the idea of disobedience?

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                                          #72

                                          @ariarhythmic @benroyce @starlily Great, fascism will make good Mastodon instances have the same status as BitTorrent trackers and pirate streaming websites!

                                          Well, the tracker I used to contribute for is still up even today, thus we may think disobedience is fine, they will not go for small instances. On the other hand, it's a false correlation: one thing is Crunchyroll, Netflix and other companies choosing not to go against small groups because they may die out of just from not getting enough donations, other thing is fascist governments. They are already going against individuals, people fear ICE, as an example.

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