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  • S socialism_everyday@reddthat.com

    Where are the strong political condemnations from the EU or economic sanctions to the US for the invasion of a foreign country?

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    redacted@infosec.pub
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    #56

    Are you seriously asking why EU sides with US instead of Maduro regime?

    So far I see only Russia, Iran and China defending Maduro.

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    • W wltr@discuss.tchncs.de

      That’s ironic, in a way, that there’s no Ukraine among those flags. Adding it would actually make the EU much stronger. A real life modern war experience (literally the most experienced country on the planet), plus the biggest country in Europe. With quite a large international community of emigrants (due to harsh historical circumstances). Plus experience filtering Russian propaganda, which is quite strong and influential (for those unaware).

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      scrollone@feddit.it
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      #57

      I agree that Ukraine would be a good addition to the EU (I hope that both the war and the EU join process will finish), but this meme is just about the EU not being a federation yet, so there's no reason to add the Ukrainian flag now.

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      • R redacted@infosec.pub

        Are you seriously asking why EU sides with US instead of Maduro regime?

        So far I see only Russia, Iran and China defending Maduro.

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        socialism_everyday@reddthat.com
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        #58

        Colombia and Brazil are defending Maduro.

        And yes, I'm asking why Europe sides with the US in the glaringly illegal abduction of a foreign president

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        • S socialism_everyday@reddthat.com

          Colombia and Brazil are defending Maduro.

          And yes, I'm asking why Europe sides with the US in the glaringly illegal abduction of a foreign president

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          redacted@infosec.pub
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          #59

          People (note that I'm saying people, not whatever authoritarian figure you simp for) are celebrating this, from Brazil, to Colombia, and in Venezuela. Get a grip.

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          • S scrollone@feddit.it

            I agree that Ukraine would be a good addition to the EU (I hope that both the war and the EU join process will finish), but this meme is just about the EU not being a federation yet, so there's no reason to add the Ukrainian flag now.

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            wltr@discuss.tchncs.de
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            #60

            I’m not sure on the federation thing (I just don’t understand how it would work for the EU), but I’m 100% sure when Russia would become a set of independent states (and not a federation it pretends it is), global terrorism would just go incredibly less, within one day, literally. They contribute to global chaos quite a lot. Especially backed by PRC and the US (administration) being a Russian puppet.

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            • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca
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              vonskinnback@mastodon.social
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              @Sunshine it always drives me mad that people cheer the individual, the strong standing alone & free, but nobody pays attention to who is pushing this narrative, the fact is every billionaire, millionaire and huge corporate behemoth is only able to drive their will & want through shear collective power, due to their size & influence. I wonder how long it will take for this penny to drop & how much we will have left to fight for by the time it finally does...

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              • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca
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                menas@lemmy.wtf
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                #62

                Yep, get stronger to face threat, that how imperialism work
                Fuck those states, everyone of them

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                • R redacted@infosec.pub

                  People (note that I'm saying people, not whatever authoritarian figure you simp for) are celebrating this, from Brazil, to Colombia, and in Venezuela. Get a grip.

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                  socialism_everyday@reddthat.com
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                  #63

                  Hahahaha Lula da Silva and Gustavo Petro, the democratically elected prime ministers of both countries, are authoritarian figures. Average European lmfao

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                  • W wltr@discuss.tchncs.de

                    I’m not sure on the federation thing (I just don’t understand how it would work for the EU), but I’m 100% sure when Russia would become a set of independent states (and not a federation it pretends it is), global terrorism would just go incredibly less, within one day, literally. They contribute to global chaos quite a lot. Especially backed by PRC and the US (administration) being a Russian puppet.

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                    alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
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                    #64

                    So when the US trained and armed terrorists all over the world under every previous administration, was it still due to orders to the Kremlin? Or did the Kremlin order the Trump administration to do the thing we've been doing for a century?

                    Putin: Agent Trump, we need you to genocide Muslims, overthrow governments in South America, prepare for war with communists, and oppress brown people back home.

                    Trump: Don't tell me how to do my fucking job.

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                    • S socialism_everyday@reddthat.com

                      Hahahaha Lula da Silva and Gustavo Petro, the democratically elected prime ministers of both countries, are authoritarian figures. Average European lmfao

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                      redacted@infosec.pub
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                      #65

                      Then maybe obviously I meant it as "authority", not "dictatorship"? What people want versus what the higher ups want. Police is also authority. That word has multiple definitions my dude. Context matters.

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                      • W wltr@discuss.tchncs.de

                        That’s ironic, in a way, that there’s no Ukraine among those flags. Adding it would actually make the EU much stronger. A real life modern war experience (literally the most experienced country on the planet), plus the biggest country in Europe. With quite a large international community of emigrants (due to harsh historical circumstances). Plus experience filtering Russian propaganda, which is quite strong and influential (for those unaware).

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                        foo@feddit.uk
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                        #66

                        Putin also knows how strong Europe would be with Ukraine, which is likely why he is so hell bent on destabilising the bloc and taking Ukraine for himself. The sad part is it seems to be working for him. Even if he doesn't get Ukraine the way he hoped, the campaign to destabilise the bloc is worrying.

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                        • M menas@lemmy.wtf

                          Yep, get stronger to face threat, that how imperialism work
                          Fuck those states, everyone of them

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                          foenkyfjutschah@programming.dev
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                          #67

                          so you submit to the empire that rules you…

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                          • R redacted@infosec.pub

                            Then maybe obviously I meant it as "authority", not "dictatorship"? What people want versus what the higher ups want. Police is also authority. That word has multiple definitions my dude. Context matters.

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                            socialism_everyday@reddthat.com
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                            #68

                            Authority is a different word from authoritarian, and you clearly used the latter. You're the one bringing up which country does or doesn't support Maduro, so don't try to scurry out of it.

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                            • F foenkyfjutschah@programming.dev

                              so you submit to the empire that rules you…

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                              menas@lemmy.wtf
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                              #69

                              No, I'm organized against without the support or supporting others

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                              • S socialism_everyday@reddthat.com

                                Authority is a different word from authoritarian, and you clearly used the latter. You're the one bringing up which country does or doesn't support Maduro, so don't try to scurry out of it.

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                                redacted@infosec.pub
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                                #70

                                Please re-read my comment. I don't know what else to tell you.

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                                • R redacted@infosec.pub

                                  Please re-read my comment. I don't know what else to tell you.

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                                  socialism_everyday@reddthat.com
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                                  #71

                                  There is no definition of "authoritarian" as "authority" in common English language, you're trying to redefine words. The word you mean is "authority figure" or "authoritative".

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                                  • alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.comA alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                    OK so you are a evronationalist militarist, nice to know there are so many right-wingers on Lemmy now... ( ,,⩌'︿'⩌,,)

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                                    noja@sopuli.xyz
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                                    Ironic comment because almost all anti-EU people in Europe are far-right.

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                                    • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.comK kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                      Most eurolibs would happily allow European imperialism and justify it by arguing if they didn't do it someone else would

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                                      noja@sopuli.xyz
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                                      #73

                                      Is this "European imperialism" in the room with us right now?

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                                      • ethanol@pawb.socialE ethanol@pawb.social

                                        Saying Europe is a US vassal state is a bit much lol. Europe is one of the biggest economic powers in the world together with the US and China. They all export and import a lot of wares between each other and thus depend on each other. The tariff deal the EU got with the US wasn't that great and the leader of the European commission, Ursula von der Leyen, got some backlash because of that but I guess her tactic was to just appease Trump so they will have more time to transition away from the US in some areas. On the other hand that deal reduced some very annoying tariffs on steel and car parts, so it was partially successful.

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                                        resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                        transition away from the US

                                        And transition to China 🙂

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                                        • W wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz

                                          How much is your socialism gonna help anybody when a fascist state overthrows you because you don't have a military?

                                          Funding a defense force isn't inherently right-wing militarism; it's a practical necessity in the world we live in. Its primary function is as a deterrent to potential invaders, it only goes into kinetic operations when its function as a deterrent fails. All the more reason to maintain a strong military.

                                          Peace is more likely when your adversaries know they won't stand a chance against you.

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                                          resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                          #75

                                          you don't have a military

                                          The only leftist ideology that advocates against an active military is anarchism. Anarchists prefer spontaneous militias that activate as soon as another state acts on them. Obviously there are downsides to this practice as 1) gathering up a militia and organizing them can take time away from defending against outside oppressors, which can jeopardize defense in general, and 2) gathering up a militia of normal folk in a society means they won't be actively trained in conducting warfare effectively, or at least not as much as another state that does have an active military - this also represents a lower hand which can again jeopardize defense in general.

                                          Marxist-Leninist communists believe that an active military that trains its population and performs drills regularly is the most suitable defense against capitalist states, since they have their own military doing the same.

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