We Need to Stick Together!

in the states our history lessons are inadequate at best, false at worst, especially re: europe

has there ever been a point in history when all of europe was united? because now is a good time to keep that being the case

Second biggest economy in the world by GDP and PPP.

Yeahhhh, no...

so you want them to have more dogs

China's wet dream or what?

Nope, the EU population is larger than the US, where we are lacking is in our military power.

And are ramping up, faster than I would have believed possible 5 years ago.

OK so you are a evronationalist militarist, nice to know there are so many right-wingers on Lemmy now... ( ,,⩌'︿'⩌,,)

Well, you kinda need military power, even if you don't use it, you can't expect countries to not attack you and just be diplomatic.
Also, don't accuse people of being [insert here ideology], it's just childish and not better than attacking them

Well, you kinda need military power

First of all, no. The whole idea of globalization is that if you have economic entanglement the wars will not be profitable.

Also there are other ways of keeping military strength without having very big military see Switzerland and all guerrilla groups successfully repelling much bigger opponents like the US.

Also, don't accuse people of being [insert here ideology], it's just childish and not better than attacking them

I mostly agree, but the meme created does represent this ideology and you can attack problematic ideologies.

Everything else sounds right-winger when one is into authoritarian "left".

Only out of necessity, Russia has shown that they are done playing the diplomatic game (though they have been playing it quite badly), the US has fully shat it's pants and is rolling around in it and China has the carving knife ready for when Russia colapses, if Europe is to survive we need to federalize.

At an absolute minimum, we need to build a unified military under one leadership throughout the EU, military personal from the south must be expected to defend Europe in the north, and vice versa.

I don't see this as being right-wing, I see it as it being a reality we need to face.

I'll even share a detail about my general political views, out of all ideologies, I strongly believe that Social Democracy is the best, as it combined a strong government with a regulated free market.

Sorry if someone being unapologetically socialist is too much for you

It's almost like people have forgotten history. Europe isn't a newcomer, I just hope it won't go to our heads, and that's where being 27 countries together makes sense for me so hopefully only "good" things will come out of it all.

@JustJack23@slrpnk.net wrote:

Also there are other ways of keeping military strength without having very big military

You're right! Europe can just defend itself with thougts and prayers. Why didn't all the bureaucrats from Brussels think about this? Omg, you're a genius!

I had a look at some stats regarding how EU citizens perceive the EU. I found this recent EU survey which interestingly shows that EU citizens trust the EU more than they trust their national governments:

Also that link says that "74% say that, taking everything into account, their country has benefited from being a member of the EU". So perhaps the EU will survive and strengthen, despite its critics like those in the Trump administration.

Where is France?

It’s there.

You are colony of USA, your leaders have no spine, your govt is run by zionists. You are basically fucked as you lost all your colonies in africa.

Europe is fuck fucked

That's disappointing