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  • axolotl_cpp@feddit.itA axolotl_cpp@feddit.it

    Well, you kinda need military power, even if you don't use it, you can't expect countries to not attack you and just be diplomatic.
    Also, don't accuse people of being [insert here ideology], it's just childish and not better than attacking them

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    justjack23@slrpnk.net
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    Well, you kinda need military power

    First of all, no. The whole idea of globalization is that if you have economic entanglement the wars will not be profitable.

    Also there are other ways of keeping military strength without having very big military see Switzerland and all guerrilla groups successfully repelling much bigger opponents like the US.

    Also, don't accuse people of being [insert here ideology], it's just childish and not better than attacking them

    I mostly agree, but the meme created does represent this ideology and you can attack problematic ideologies.

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    • alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.comA alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com

      OK so you are a evronationalist militarist, nice to know there are so many right-wingers on Lemmy now... ( ,,⩌'︿'⩌,,)

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      #11

      Everything else sounds right-winger when one is into authoritarian "left".

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      • alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.comA alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com

        OK so you are a evronationalist militarist, nice to know there are so many right-wingers on Lemmy now... ( ,,⩌'︿'⩌,,)

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        stoy@lemmy.zip
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        Only out of necessity, Russia has shown that they are done playing the diplomatic game (though they have been playing it quite badly), the US has fully shat it's pants and is rolling around in it and China has the carving knife ready for when Russia colapses, if Europe is to survive we need to federalize.

        At an absolute minimum, we need to build a unified military under one leadership throughout the EU, military personal from the south must be expected to defend Europe in the north, and vice versa.

        I don't see this as being right-wing, I see it as it being a reality we need to face.

        I'll even share a detail about my general political views, out of all ideologies, I strongly believe that Social Democracy is the best, as it combined a strong government with a regulated free market.

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        • oce@jlai.luO oce@jlai.lu

          Everything else sounds right-winger when one is into authoritarian "left".

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          #13

          Sorry if someone being unapologetically socialist is too much for you 😢😢

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          • S stoy@lemmy.zip

            Nope, the EU population is larger than the US, where we are lacking is in our military power.

            And are ramping up, faster than I would have believed possible 5 years ago.

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            #14

            It's almost like people have forgotten history. Europe isn't a newcomer, I just hope it won't go to our heads, and that's where being 27 countries together makes sense for me so hopefully only "good" things will come out of it all.

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            • J justjack23@slrpnk.net

              Well, you kinda need military power

              First of all, no. The whole idea of globalization is that if you have economic entanglement the wars will not be profitable.

              Also there are other ways of keeping military strength without having very big military see Switzerland and all guerrilla groups successfully repelling much bigger opponents like the US.

              Also, don't accuse people of being [insert here ideology], it's just childish and not better than attacking them

              I mostly agree, but the meme created does represent this ideology and you can attack problematic ideologies.

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              petrescatraian@libranet.de
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              #15

              @JustJack23@slrpnk.net wrote:

              Also there are other ways of keeping military strength without having very big military

              You're right! Europe can just defend itself with thougts and prayers. Why didn't all the bureaucrats from Brussels think about this? Omg, you're a genius!

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                moderatecentrist@feddit.uk
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                #16

                I had a look at some stats regarding how EU citizens perceive the EU. I found this recent EU survey which interestingly shows that EU citizens trust the EU more than they trust their national governments:

                A line graph ranging from 2004 to 2025. It shows how much EU citizens trust the EU, their national governments, and their national parliaments. The graph shows that across the entire time range, trust in the EU has been higher than in national governments and parliaments.

                Also that link says that "74% say that, taking everything into account, their country has benefited from being a member of the EU". So perhaps the EU will survive and strengthen, despite its critics like those in the Trump administration.

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                • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca
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                  #17

                  Where is France?

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                  • pseudo@jlai.luP pseudo@jlai.lu

                    Where is France?

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                    sunshine@piefed.ca
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                    #18

                    It’s there.

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                    • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca
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                      #19

                      You are colony of USA, your leaders have no spine, your govt is run by zionists. You are basically fucked as you lost all your colonies in africa.

                      Europe is fuck fucked

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                      • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca

                        It’s there.

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                        agosagror@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                        #20

                        That's disappointing

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                        • alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.comA alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                          Sorry if someone being unapologetically socialist is too much for you 😢😢

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                          wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
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                          #21

                          How much is your socialism gonna help anybody when a fascist state overthrows you because you don't have a military?

                          Funding a defense force isn't inherently right-wing militarism; it's a practical necessity in the world we live in. Its primary function is as a deterrent to potential invaders, it only goes into kinetic operations when its function as a deterrent fails. All the more reason to maintain a strong military.

                          Peace is more likely when your adversaries know they won't stand a chance against you.

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                          • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca
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                            theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                            #22

                            The EU is still an oppressive imperialist power stop glamorizing it.

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                            • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca
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                              technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                              #23

                              Why not smash those two empires instead?

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                              • clot27@lemmy.zipC clot27@lemmy.zip

                                You are colony of USA, your leaders have no spine, your govt is run by zionists. You are basically fucked as you lost all your colonies in africa.

                                Europe is fuck fucked

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                                technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                #24

                                Everywhere is currently fucked but hopefully not unavoidably.

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                                • T technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                  Everywhere is currently fucked but hopefully not unavoidably.

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                                  #25

                                  Earth should explode atp. Its over

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                                  • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca
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                                    resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                    #26

                                    Europe is a vassal state of the US, as we're seeing with Venezuela now.

                                    We even saw this with trade negotiations in 2025, where after Trump applied tariffs to the EU following the Big Bootycheeks Bill and the EU retaliated, that retaliation swiftly went away as Trump forced Europe to buy Americans' food, technology, cars, and energy, to invest in US businesses, to loosen the EU's policies towards good corporate governance and sustainable as it applies to US businesses doing trade in Europe, as well as an assortment of other actions.

                                    So while you might believe that a United Europe can stand up to the US and China, you forget how much the EU relies on both of them. Yes, including China, which the EU would be smart to build ties with as the becomes more and more the 4th Reich.

                                    If I want to purchase well made goods, I always look to Europe. The new watch band I got for Christmas came from a European maker (Watch-straps). The headphones I purchased last year came from Europe (Fairphone). The undershirts, underwear, and socks I bought last year all came from Europe (Dedicated).

                                    Europe has some of the best policies in the world for fair trade and good economic production, sans socialism in China.

                                    Just don't forget where the EU sits on the global stage. It's not on the same level as the US and China, two superpowers.

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                                      China's wet dream or what?

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                                      worldsdumbestman@lemmy.today
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                                      #27

                                      At this point, I'm so miserable, that I agree, and accept our new Chinese overlords. We lost the fight for humanity long ago, I at least want to live a bit.

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                                      • alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.comA alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                        Yeahhhh, no...

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                                        Most eurolibs would happily allow European imperialism and justify it by arguing if they didn't do it someone else would

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                                        • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca
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                                          #29

                                          Most people in the smaller EU countries are very keenly aware that without the power of the group to face the World's large countries they would be nothing more than footballs for the big powers, same as before the EU.

                                          It's not by chance that the only country to ever leave was big-sized (in Europe terms, but mid-sized in World terms) one with nationalistic delusions of grandeur leftover from the time when they headed an Empire.

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