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  • clot27@lemmy.zipC clot27@lemmy.zip

    You are colony of USA, your leaders have no spine, your govt is run by zionists. You are basically fucked as you lost all your colonies in africa.

    Europe is fuck fucked

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    technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    #24

    Everywhere is currently fucked but hopefully not unavoidably.

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    • T technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com

      Everywhere is currently fucked but hopefully not unavoidably.

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      clot27@lemmy.zip
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      #25

      Earth should explode atp. Its over

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      • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca
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        resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        #26

        Europe is a vassal state of the US, as we're seeing with Venezuela now.

        We even saw this with trade negotiations in 2025, where after Trump applied tariffs to the EU following the Big Bootycheeks Bill and the EU retaliated, that retaliation swiftly went away as Trump forced Europe to buy Americans' food, technology, cars, and energy, to invest in US businesses, to loosen the EU's policies towards good corporate governance and sustainable as it applies to US businesses doing trade in Europe, as well as an assortment of other actions.

        So while you might believe that a United Europe can stand up to the US and China, you forget how much the EU relies on both of them. Yes, including China, which the EU would be smart to build ties with as the becomes more and more the 4th Reich.

        If I want to purchase well made goods, I always look to Europe. The new watch band I got for Christmas came from a European maker (Watch-straps). The headphones I purchased last year came from Europe (Fairphone). The undershirts, underwear, and socks I bought last year all came from Europe (Dedicated).

        Europe has some of the best policies in the world for fair trade and good economic production, sans socialism in China.

        Just don't forget where the EU sits on the global stage. It's not on the same level as the US and China, two superpowers.

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        • M markz@suppo.fi

          China's wet dream or what?

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          worldsdumbestman@lemmy.today
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          #27

          At this point, I'm so miserable, that I agree, and accept our new Chinese overlords. We lost the fight for humanity long ago, I at least want to live a bit.

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          • alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.comA alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com

            Yeahhhh, no...

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            kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            #28

            Most eurolibs would happily allow European imperialism and justify it by arguing if they didn't do it someone else would

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              aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              #29

              Most people in the smaller EU countries are very keenly aware that without the power of the group to face the World's large countries they would be nothing more than footballs for the big powers, same as before the EU.

              It's not by chance that the only country to ever leave was big-sized (in Europe terms, but mid-sized in World terms) one with nationalistic delusions of grandeur leftover from the time when they headed an Empire.

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              • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca
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                basxto@discuss.tchncs.de
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                #30

                *shrugs in non-English*

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                • W wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz

                  How much is your socialism gonna help anybody when a fascist state overthrows you because you don't have a military?

                  Funding a defense force isn't inherently right-wing militarism; it's a practical necessity in the world we live in. Its primary function is as a deterrent to potential invaders, it only goes into kinetic operations when its function as a deterrent fails. All the more reason to maintain a strong military.

                  Peace is more likely when your adversaries know they won't stand a chance against you.

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                  socialism_everyday@reddthat.com
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                  #31

                  Lemmy "leftists": THE USSR HAVING A STANDING ARMY AND USING IT AGAINST NAZIS IS IMPERIALISM

                  Also Lemmy "leftists": WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN THE GLORIOUS EUROPEAN FREEDOM 🦅🦅🦅🦅 GIVING MONEY TO LITERAL NAZI TANK MANUFACTURER RHEINMETALL

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                  • S stoy@lemmy.zip

                    Only out of necessity, Russia has shown that they are done playing the diplomatic game (though they have been playing it quite badly), the US has fully shat it's pants and is rolling around in it and China has the carving knife ready for when Russia colapses, if Europe is to survive we need to federalize.

                    At an absolute minimum, we need to build a unified military under one leadership throughout the EU, military personal from the south must be expected to defend Europe in the north, and vice versa.

                    I don't see this as being right-wing, I see it as it being a reality we need to face.

                    I'll even share a detail about my general political views, out of all ideologies, I strongly believe that Social Democracy is the best, as it combined a strong government with a regulated free market.

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                    socialism_everyday@reddthat.com
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                    I'll even share a detail about my general political views, out of all ideologies, I strongly believe that Social Democracy is the best

                    Have you lived in Europe for the past 20 years? European "Social" "Democracy" has led only to the destruction of welfare state, worker rights, increasing of retirement age, and collapse of salaries, and whoever tries to deviate from that by being further left (Syriza, Podemos, LFI) gets couped out of power, whereas far right governments rule without issues in half of the continent

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                      socialism_everyday@reddthat.com
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                      #33

                      Oh, EU separate from the US! So you support a dissolution of NATO? Or do you just want a US-aligned puppet Europe?

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                      • S socialism_everyday@reddthat.com

                        Lemmy "leftists": THE USSR HAVING A STANDING ARMY AND USING IT AGAINST NAZIS IS IMPERIALISM

                        Also Lemmy "leftists": WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN THE GLORIOUS EUROPEAN FREEDOM 🦅🦅🦅🦅 GIVING MONEY TO LITERAL NAZI TANK MANUFACTURER RHEINMETALL

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                        wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
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                        #34

                        What are you on about?

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                        • W wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz

                          What are you on about?

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                          socialism_everyday@reddthat.com
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                          #35

                          "We need to throw cash bricks at rheinmetall. Yes, I'm a leftist"

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                          • S socialism_everyday@reddthat.com

                            Oh, EU separate from the US! So you support a dissolution of NATO? Or do you just want a US-aligned puppet Europe?

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                            f04118f@feddit.nl
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                            I want a Europe that is strong and stands for European values.

                            If the USA also follows those values we work together.

                            If they don't, we can do it without them.

                            But only if we in Europe are united!

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                            • F f04118f@feddit.nl

                              I want a Europe that is strong and stands for European values.

                              If the USA also follows those values we work together.

                              If they don't, we can do it without them.

                              But only if we in Europe are united!

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                              socialism_everyday@reddthat.com
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                              #37

                              You are saying this on the day that the USA is illegally invading Venezuela and kidnapping their president. Where are European values? Where are the heavy condemnations of this?

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                              • S socialism_everyday@reddthat.com

                                Oh, EU separate from the US! So you support a dissolution of NATO? Or do you just want a US-aligned puppet Europe?

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                                redacted@infosec.pub
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                                Are you confusing military alliance with unions? Isn't US essentially a union?

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                                • R redacted@infosec.pub

                                  Are you confusing military alliance with unions? Isn't US essentially a union?

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                                  socialism_everyday@reddthat.com
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                                  Where are the strong political condemnations from the EU or economic sanctions to the US for the invasion of a foreign country?

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                                  • S socialism_everyday@reddthat.com

                                    "We need to throw cash bricks at rheinmetall. Yes, I'm a leftist"

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                                    wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
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                                    If you're trying to draw a comparison between modern Europe (or even modern Germany) and Nazi Germany, don't. You're only revealing your ignorance. Or you know it's inaccurate and you're doing it anyway in bad faith.

                                    Unless you would have every European nation surrender to russian imperialism, which you seem to be trying to excuse in your previous comment. If that's the case, then go away.

                                    Putin is a fascist. The Soviet Union died over 30 years ago. Supporting modern russia doesn't make you edgy or a leftist, it makes you either an idiot or a troll.

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                                    • W wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz

                                      If you're trying to draw a comparison between modern Europe (or even modern Germany) and Nazi Germany, don't. You're only revealing your ignorance. Or you know it's inaccurate and you're doing it anyway in bad faith.

                                      Unless you would have every European nation surrender to russian imperialism, which you seem to be trying to excuse in your previous comment. If that's the case, then go away.

                                      Putin is a fascist. The Soviet Union died over 30 years ago. Supporting modern russia doesn't make you edgy or a leftist, it makes you either an idiot or a troll.

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                                      socialism_everyday@reddthat.com
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                                      "Not supporting your nation's military apparatus is synonymous with helping the opposite empire"

                                      -Every state propaganda in WW1

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                                      • S socialism_everyday@reddthat.com

                                        I'll even share a detail about my general political views, out of all ideologies, I strongly believe that Social Democracy is the best

                                        Have you lived in Europe for the past 20 years? European "Social" "Democracy" has led only to the destruction of welfare state, worker rights, increasing of retirement age, and collapse of salaries, and whoever tries to deviate from that by being further left (Syriza, Podemos, LFI) gets couped out of power, whereas far right governments rule without issues in half of the continent

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                                        stoy@lemmy.zip
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                                        #42

                                        I am living in Sweden, I have done so for the last 38 year after being born.

                                        I have witnessed the all of that.

                                        I stand by what I said, including the part of regulated free markets which you didn't bring up.

                                        I absolutely disagree with how Socialdemokraterna moved away from the ideology of Social democracy.

                                        However, this does not change my views of the ideology, only the politicians who has failed it.

                                        Social democracy requires strong leaders who can withstand trends pulling in either direction.

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                                        • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca
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                                          primeministerkeyes@leminal.space
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                                          Nice picture. Thank you, Sunshine.
                                          To further drive the point home, it could have the US and China kicking around and crushing the little countries in the top half.

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