We Need to Stick Together!
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China's wet dream or what?
At this point, I'm so miserable, that I agree, and accept our new Chinese overlords. We lost the fight for humanity long ago, I at least want to live a bit.
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Yeahhhh, no...
Most eurolibs would happily allow European imperialism and justify it by arguing if they didn't do it someone else would
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Most people in the smaller EU countries are very keenly aware that without the power of the group to face the World's large countries they would be nothing more than footballs for the big powers, same as before the EU.
It's not by chance that the only country to ever leave was big-sized (in Europe terms, but mid-sized in World terms) one with nationalistic delusions of grandeur leftover from the time when they headed an Empire.
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*shrugs in non-English*
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How much is your socialism gonna help anybody when a fascist state overthrows you because you don't have a military?
Funding a defense force isn't inherently right-wing militarism; it's a practical necessity in the world we live in. Its primary function is as a deterrent to potential invaders, it only goes into kinetic operations when its function as a deterrent fails. All the more reason to maintain a strong military.
Peace is more likely when your adversaries know they won't stand a chance against you.
Lemmy "leftists": THE USSR HAVING A STANDING ARMY AND USING IT AGAINST NAZIS IS IMPERIALISM
Also Lemmy "leftists": WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN THE GLORIOUS EUROPEAN FREEDOM
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Only out of necessity, Russia has shown that they are done playing the diplomatic game (though they have been playing it quite badly), the US has fully shat it's pants and is rolling around in it and China has the carving knife ready for when Russia colapses, if Europe is to survive we need to federalize.
At an absolute minimum, we need to build a unified military under one leadership throughout the EU, military personal from the south must be expected to defend Europe in the north, and vice versa.
I don't see this as being right-wing, I see it as it being a reality we need to face.
I'll even share a detail about my general political views, out of all ideologies, I strongly believe that Social Democracy is the best, as it combined a strong government with a regulated free market.
I'll even share a detail about my general political views, out of all ideologies, I strongly believe that Social Democracy is the best
Have you lived in Europe for the past 20 years? European "Social" "Democracy" has led only to the destruction of welfare state, worker rights, increasing of retirement age, and collapse of salaries, and whoever tries to deviate from that by being further left (Syriza, Podemos, LFI) gets couped out of power, whereas far right governments rule without issues in half of the continent
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Oh, EU separate from the US! So you support a dissolution of NATO? Or do you just want a US-aligned puppet Europe?
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Lemmy "leftists": THE USSR HAVING A STANDING ARMY AND USING IT AGAINST NAZIS IS IMPERIALISM
Also Lemmy "leftists": WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN THE GLORIOUS EUROPEAN FREEDOM
GIVING MONEY TO LITERAL NAZI TANK MANUFACTURER RHEINMETALLWhat are you on about?
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What are you on about?
"We need to throw cash bricks at rheinmetall. Yes, I'm a leftist"
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Oh, EU separate from the US! So you support a dissolution of NATO? Or do you just want a US-aligned puppet Europe?
I want a Europe that is strong and stands for European values.
If the USA also follows those values we work together.
If they don't, we can do it without them.
But only if we in Europe are united!
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I want a Europe that is strong and stands for European values.
If the USA also follows those values we work together.
If they don't, we can do it without them.
But only if we in Europe are united!
You are saying this on the day that the USA is illegally invading Venezuela and kidnapping their president. Where are European values? Where are the heavy condemnations of this?
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Oh, EU separate from the US! So you support a dissolution of NATO? Or do you just want a US-aligned puppet Europe?
Are you confusing military alliance with unions? Isn't US essentially a union?
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Are you confusing military alliance with unions? Isn't US essentially a union?
Where are the strong political condemnations from the EU or economic sanctions to the US for the invasion of a foreign country?
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"We need to throw cash bricks at rheinmetall. Yes, I'm a leftist"
If you're trying to draw a comparison between modern Europe (or even modern Germany) and Nazi Germany, don't. You're only revealing your ignorance. Or you know it's inaccurate and you're doing it anyway in bad faith.
Unless you would have every European nation surrender to russian imperialism, which you seem to be trying to excuse in your previous comment. If that's the case, then go away.
Putin is a fascist. The Soviet Union died over 30 years ago. Supporting modern russia doesn't make you edgy or a leftist, it makes you either an idiot or a troll.
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If you're trying to draw a comparison between modern Europe (or even modern Germany) and Nazi Germany, don't. You're only revealing your ignorance. Or you know it's inaccurate and you're doing it anyway in bad faith.
Unless you would have every European nation surrender to russian imperialism, which you seem to be trying to excuse in your previous comment. If that's the case, then go away.
Putin is a fascist. The Soviet Union died over 30 years ago. Supporting modern russia doesn't make you edgy or a leftist, it makes you either an idiot or a troll.
"Not supporting your nation's military apparatus is synonymous with helping the opposite empire"
-Every state propaganda in WW1
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I'll even share a detail about my general political views, out of all ideologies, I strongly believe that Social Democracy is the best
Have you lived in Europe for the past 20 years? European "Social" "Democracy" has led only to the destruction of welfare state, worker rights, increasing of retirement age, and collapse of salaries, and whoever tries to deviate from that by being further left (Syriza, Podemos, LFI) gets couped out of power, whereas far right governments rule without issues in half of the continent
I am living in Sweden, I have done so for the last 38 year after being born.
I have witnessed the all of that.
I stand by what I said, including the part of regulated free markets which you didn't bring up.
I absolutely disagree with how Socialdemokraterna moved away from the ideology of Social democracy.
However, this does not change my views of the ideology, only the politicians who has failed it.
Social democracy requires strong leaders who can withstand trends pulling in either direction.
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Nice picture. Thank you, Sunshine.
To further drive the point home, it could have the US and China kicking around and crushing the little countries in the top half. -
I am living in Sweden, I have done so for the last 38 year after being born.
I have witnessed the all of that.
I stand by what I said, including the part of regulated free markets which you didn't bring up.
I absolutely disagree with how Socialdemokraterna moved away from the ideology of Social democracy.
However, this does not change my views of the ideology, only the politicians who has failed it.
Social democracy requires strong leaders who can withstand trends pulling in either direction.
"I've seen with my own eyes social democracy failing simultaneously everywhere in Europe and ruined millions of lives. However, I still support it".
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"I've seen with my own eyes social democracy failing simultaneously everywhere in Europe and ruined millions of lives. However, I still support it".
No, I have not seen social democracy failing, I have seen politicians failing to uphold social democracy.
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No, I have not seen social democracy failing, I have seen politicians failing to uphold social democracy.
Politicians in every European country's socialdemocrat party have failed social democracy, seems to me like there's something in common, maybe the system fucking sucks? And when a new leftist party rises to fight against that, it gets destroyed institutionally, either through removal of government agency by EU (Syriza in Greece), by refusal to place them in government despite majority (LFI in France), or outright fabrications of false funding from Venezuela by the police apparatus (Podemos in Spain)
