Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud.
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@andre_ourednik @terminaltilt You're likely significantly overestimating the difference, and it may not even be a positive one. Servers in datacenters get rotated out and disposed of on a fixed schedule, typically, long before they actually stop working - whereas consumer hardware often gets handed down until it literally breaks.
Not to mention all the technical and resource overhead of remote anything. That network hardware and corresponding power use isn't free to the environment either.
If you're looking for a way to materially reduce the environmental footprint of computing, I would suggest that "the advertising industry" is probably the first place to look instead. They're responsible for a vast, vast chunk of energy and resource usage in computing and networking, while providing marginal to no value to society - it's a purely extractive industry.
Even ignoring the web, look up the power consumption of a single one of those video ad units they put on train stations and in shopping centers, and you'll probably be reeling from just how environmentally wasteful all this stuff is - and consumer hardware will suddenly look like a drop in the bucket. As a teaser: virtually all of those advertising screens have audible active cooling despite sound insulation attempts.
So... no, there's really no environmental point in a rental model. Insofar it makes any positive difference at all, that sure isn't the intention behind it, and all it does is further support an extractive culture that destroys the environment with no consideration for anything but its own profits. You don't even get to choose whether the hardware is turned on anymore. That is not an environmental win.
@joepie91 @andre_ourednik @terminaltilt
Small side note; research was done on the actual benefit of in place repairs or swaps of defective components/servers in a rack (as an engineer entering the server room invariably causes other risks etc.)
The results were in *most cases* for hyperdense computing (cloud/Ai/HPC) to simply not even attempt a repair. What then happens is after a % of a rack is defective, the *entire rack* is removed and scrapped. Even the potentially working parts
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@joepie91 @andre_ourednik @terminaltilt
Small side note; research was done on the actual benefit of in place repairs or swaps of defective components/servers in a rack (as an engineer entering the server room invariably causes other risks etc.)
The results were in *most cases* for hyperdense computing (cloud/Ai/HPC) to simply not even attempt a repair. What then happens is after a % of a rack is defective, the *entire rack* is removed and scrapped. Even the potentially working parts
@joepie91 @andre_ourednik @terminaltilt
Also, I recall that resources for Ai are generally written off after 3 years. Most enterprise server hardware previously was expected to last between 5 to 10 years.
Most of those GPUs don't even last the 3 years - as they are running full speed 100% of the time.
Wasteful doesn't begin to describe it
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@joepie91 @andre_ourednik @terminaltilt
Small side note; research was done on the actual benefit of in place repairs or swaps of defective components/servers in a rack (as an engineer entering the server room invariably causes other risks etc.)
The results were in *most cases* for hyperdense computing (cloud/Ai/HPC) to simply not even attempt a repair. What then happens is after a % of a rack is defective, the *entire rack* is removed and scrapped. Even the potentially working parts
@Aprazeth @andre_ourednik @terminaltilt I was not aware of this, but I'm also not surprised. It's a general pattern that whenever profit optimization is involved, with rising labor costs, the outcome of any situation is almost always to throw more non-human resources at the problem...
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Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.
You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.
AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.
Reject this future.
Keep your hardware local.
Run #Linux.
Own your data.
The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.
#NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich
I know someone who uses Facebook as their photo backup service in case you were wondering how clueless most people are.
Social media and much of what we do online is so fleeting and ephemeral I wonder if most people even care about storing things long-term.
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@NormanDunbar @filobus @terminaltilt Various vendor in Europe are working on setting up their own cloud systems. Personally, I would trust a German cloud service much more than any US company. I already have a tuta.com email address.
(Rather ironic.)
@c_merriweather @NormanDunbar @terminaltilt yes, gafam aren't the only, there are many providers
It depends on your requirements, but they are in a nation that is in conflict with EU and it will be more and more
And they are locking an ai into every product, with no privacy, they could do industrial espionage, block or tear down their service under order of their authorities
Their is no more a reliable service
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@c_merriweather @NormanDunbar @terminaltilt yes, gafam aren't the only, there are many providers
It depends on your requirements, but they are in a nation that is in conflict with EU and it will be more and more
And they are locking an ai into every product, with no privacy, they could do industrial espionage, block or tear down their service under order of their authorities
Their is no more a reliable service
(When Ukrainian war started Kaspersky was removed from many business pcs)@filobus @NormanDunbar @terminaltilt I'm betting on Tuta being safer for me, in California, than gmail or att.
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@datum @pluralistic @terminaltilt tilting on this slightly:
The cloud is like renting a storage cube. Charging you for space and access, possibly for useful services like preservation and access. But in the end hard to get rid of and really rooted deferred decisions around downsizing.
@afeinman @datum @pluralistic @terminaltilt And like rental storage can catch fire with no warning because something stupid the landlord or another tenant did. And authorities can break in and go through your stuff without you knowing.
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Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.
You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.
AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.
Reject this future.
Keep your hardware local.
Run #Linux.
Own your data.
The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.
#NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich
@terminaltilt Microsoft saying "you MUST have AI in your PC" is an obvious prelude to "the Windows ToC lets us train our global models using spare AI processor cycles on your computer 24/7."
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@Aprazeth @andre_ourednik @terminaltilt I was not aware of this, but I'm also not surprised. It's a general pattern that whenever profit optimization is involved, with rising labor costs, the outcome of any situation is almost always to throw more non-human resources at the problem...
@joepie91 @andre_ourednik @terminaltilt
It's insane. Even the water consumption is not necessary.
Better cooling exists and is far more efficient (Microsoft did their research and acknowledged it). But water and chemicals (anti fungicide, -herbicide, -corrosives) are way cheaper for them at this point. So that is what gets used.
And the chemical sludge at the end? Good luck filtering it back to even "safe to dump" levels. Yay progress
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@filobus @NormanDunbar @terminaltilt I'm betting on Tuta being safer for me, in California, than gmail or att.
@c_merriweather @NormanDunbar @terminaltilt the only thing, I've read that Tuta uses Amazon for dns (I've not looked into it any further, so I don't know if it's true o it it was true but no more o whatever)
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Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.
You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.
AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.
Reject this future.
Keep your hardware local.
Run #Linux.
Own your data.
The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.
#NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich
@terminaltilt
My cloud lives in the garden shed in an old, well used Dell corporate desktop. Runs Nextcloud on Debian. -
@terminaltilt Bezos is the alternate universe inverse evil version of Patrick Stewart.... Utterly cruel, greedy, narcissistic, and uncharismatic.
@TrimTab @terminaltilt He could at least have the decency to grow a goatee.
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Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.
You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.
AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.
Reject this future.
Keep your hardware local.
Run #Linux.
Own your data.
The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.
#NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich
@terminaltilt The industry has tried to push "thin clients", machines that can access cloud services and do nothing local, since the 1980s. Nobody ever wanted them. They failed again and again.
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@filobus @terminaltilt What other options are there? Oracle? Microsoft? If you had to use the cloud, where do you go to avoid the big guns and trump buddies?
@NormanDunbar @terminaltilt maybe here there are some suggestions
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@cascheranno @terminaltilt …for you, maybe. Not everybody is as computer literate.
@lerxst @terminaltilt that’s like saying ‘right to repair’ == everyone needs to be a blacksmith; not my point at all.
I’m just crediting the many (often unacknowledged) maker-friendly alternatives to techbros that seek to hoover up all out money and data.
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Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.
You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.
AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.
Reject this future.
Keep your hardware local.
Run #Linux.
Own your data.
The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.
#NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich
@terminaltilt They want to destroy everything!
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Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.
You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.
AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.
Reject this future.
Keep your hardware local.
Run #Linux.
Own your data.
The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.
#NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich
@terminaltilt And while you're at it, help others by organizing a Linux Repair Café
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Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.
You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.
AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.
Reject this future.
Keep your hardware local.
Run #Linux.
Own your data.
The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.
#NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich
@terminaltilt
Everybody's gonna work for the Company Store. -
Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.
You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.
AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.
Reject this future.
Keep your hardware local.
Run #Linux.
Own your data.
The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.
#NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich
@terminaltilt as much as there is to hate about this article, the fact that windows central dot com refers to microsoft as "oft-nicknamed microslop" is delightful
