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  • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

    Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

    You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

    AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

    Reject this future.

    Keep your hardware local.

    Run #Linux.

    Own your data.

    The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

    #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

    https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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    #96

    @terminaltilt What part of Bezos' face is real? And why didn't he get hair plugs? #BoycottAmazon

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    • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

      Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

      You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

      AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

      Reject this future.

      Keep your hardware local.

      Run #Linux.

      Own your data.

      The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

      #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

      https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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      #97

      @terminaltilt

      Those dumb son of a bitches can't even figure out why people refuse to upgrade to Windows 11.

      Actually I guess, they do know why... but it doesn't stop them from trying to gaslight everybody into doing it anyway.... so they can sign up for more subscriptions.

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      • normandunbar@mastodon.scotN normandunbar@mastodon.scot

        @filobus @terminaltilt What other options are there? Oracle? Microsoft? If you had to use the cloud, where do you go to avoid the big guns and trump buddies?

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        #98

        @NormanDunbar @filobus @terminaltilt Various vendor in Europe are working on setting up their own cloud systems. Personally, I would trust a German cloud service much more than any US company. I already have a tuta.com email address.

        (Rather ironic.)

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        • bolomkxxviii@mastodon.socialB bolomkxxviii@mastodon.social

          @terminaltilt I feel much better about hording old computers now. When I say old, I mean around 6th gen Core i5 vintage. Amazing what these machines can do with the right Linux distro.

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          #99

          @BoloMKXXVIII

          I run all my old computers/laptops on Linux. Even ones going back to 2003 (albeit running only locally). I got pissed off with WinDoz somewhere about Win98 and moved to Linux. Apple has always been out of my price range. My newest (to me) laptop is a ThinkPad X240, happily running anti-X Linux.

          @terminaltilt

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          • c_merriweather@social.linux.pizzaC c_merriweather@social.linux.pizza

            @BoloMKXXVIII

            I run all my old computers/laptops on Linux. Even ones going back to 2003 (albeit running only locally). I got pissed off with WinDoz somewhere about Win98 and moved to Linux. Apple has always been out of my price range. My newest (to me) laptop is a ThinkPad X240, happily running anti-X Linux.

            @terminaltilt

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            #100

            @c_merriweather @terminaltilt I think I have 9 computers. Three laptops, a tablet, four Intel NUCs, one main desktop. All run various flavors of Linux. My desktop also runs Windows LTSC in a VM.

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            • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

              Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

              You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

              AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

              Reject this future.

              Keep your hardware local.

              Run #Linux.

              Own your data.

              The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

              #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

              https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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              #101

              @terminaltilt Why Linux? Why not BSD? 😄

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              • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

                Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

                You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

                AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

                Reject this future.

                Keep your hardware local.

                Run #Linux.

                Own your data.

                The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

                #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

                https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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                #102

                @terminaltilt Thin Client: The Next Generation

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                • bolomkxxviii@mastodon.socialB bolomkxxviii@mastodon.social

                  @c_merriweather @terminaltilt I think I have 9 computers. Three laptops, a tablet, four Intel NUCs, one main desktop. All run various flavors of Linux. My desktop also runs Windows LTSC in a VM.

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                  #103

                  @BoloMKXXVIII

                  5 computers in my case, 3 laptops, a iMacLinux, and a NUC. All Linux.

                  Plus, I keep an old (free) laptop with XP, specifically for one program that connects to a proprietary card reader, for my old embroidery machine.

                  @terminaltilt

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                  • joepie91@fedi.slightly.techJ joepie91@fedi.slightly.tech

                    @andre_ourednik @terminaltilt You're likely significantly overestimating the difference, and it may not even be a positive one. Servers in datacenters get rotated out and disposed of on a fixed schedule, typically, long before they actually stop working - whereas consumer hardware often gets handed down until it literally breaks.

                    Not to mention all the technical and resource overhead of remote anything. That network hardware and corresponding power use isn't free to the environment either.

                    If you're looking for a way to materially reduce the environmental footprint of computing, I would suggest that "the advertising industry" is probably the first place to look instead. They're responsible for a vast, vast chunk of energy and resource usage in computing and networking, while providing marginal to no value to society - it's a purely extractive industry.

                    Even ignoring the web, look up the power consumption of a single one of those video ad units they put on train stations and in shopping centers, and you'll probably be reeling from just how environmentally wasteful all this stuff is - and consumer hardware will suddenly look like a drop in the bucket. As a teaser: virtually all of those advertising screens have audible active cooling despite sound insulation attempts.

                    So... no, there's really no environmental point in a rental model. Insofar it makes any positive difference at all, that sure isn't the intention behind it, and all it does is further support an extractive culture that destroys the environment with no consideration for anything but its own profits. You don't even get to choose whether the hardware is turned on anymore. That is not an environmental win.

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                    #104

                    @joepie91 @andre_ourednik @terminaltilt

                    Small side note; research was done on the actual benefit of in place repairs or swaps of defective components/servers in a rack (as an engineer entering the server room invariably causes other risks etc.)

                    The results were in *most cases* for hyperdense computing (cloud/Ai/HPC) to simply not even attempt a repair. What then happens is after a % of a rack is defective, the *entire rack* is removed and scrapped. Even the potentially working parts

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                    • aprazeth@mstdn.socialA aprazeth@mstdn.social

                      @joepie91 @andre_ourednik @terminaltilt

                      Small side note; research was done on the actual benefit of in place repairs or swaps of defective components/servers in a rack (as an engineer entering the server room invariably causes other risks etc.)

                      The results were in *most cases* for hyperdense computing (cloud/Ai/HPC) to simply not even attempt a repair. What then happens is after a % of a rack is defective, the *entire rack* is removed and scrapped. Even the potentially working parts

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                      #105

                      @joepie91 @andre_ourednik @terminaltilt

                      Also, I recall that resources for Ai are generally written off after 3 years. Most enterprise server hardware previously was expected to last between 5 to 10 years.

                      Most of those GPUs don't even last the 3 years - as they are running full speed 100% of the time.

                      Wasteful doesn't begin to describe it

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                      • aprazeth@mstdn.socialA aprazeth@mstdn.social

                        @joepie91 @andre_ourednik @terminaltilt

                        Small side note; research was done on the actual benefit of in place repairs or swaps of defective components/servers in a rack (as an engineer entering the server room invariably causes other risks etc.)

                        The results were in *most cases* for hyperdense computing (cloud/Ai/HPC) to simply not even attempt a repair. What then happens is after a % of a rack is defective, the *entire rack* is removed and scrapped. Even the potentially working parts

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                        #106

                        @Aprazeth @andre_ourednik @terminaltilt I was not aware of this, but I'm also not surprised. It's a general pattern that whenever profit optimization is involved, with rising labor costs, the outcome of any situation is almost always to throw more non-human resources at the problem...

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                        • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

                          Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

                          You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

                          AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

                          Reject this future.

                          Keep your hardware local.

                          Run #Linux.

                          Own your data.

                          The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

                          #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

                          https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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                          #107

                          @terminaltilt

                          I know someone who uses Facebook as their photo backup service in case you were wondering how clueless most people are.

                          Social media and much of what we do online is so fleeting and ephemeral I wonder if most people even care about storing things long-term.

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                          • c_merriweather@social.linux.pizzaC c_merriweather@social.linux.pizza

                            @NormanDunbar @filobus @terminaltilt Various vendor in Europe are working on setting up their own cloud systems. Personally, I would trust a German cloud service much more than any US company. I already have a tuta.com email address.

                            (Rather ironic.)

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                            #108

                            @c_merriweather @NormanDunbar @terminaltilt yes, gafam aren't the only, there are many providers
                            It depends on your requirements, but they are in a nation that is in conflict with EU and it will be more and more
                            And they are locking an ai into every product, with no privacy, they could do industrial espionage, block or tear down their service under order of their authorities
                            Their is no more a reliable service
                            (When Ukrainian war started Kaspersky was removed from many business pcs)

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                            • filobus@sociale.networkF filobus@sociale.network

                              @c_merriweather @NormanDunbar @terminaltilt yes, gafam aren't the only, there are many providers
                              It depends on your requirements, but they are in a nation that is in conflict with EU and it will be more and more
                              And they are locking an ai into every product, with no privacy, they could do industrial espionage, block or tear down their service under order of their authorities
                              Their is no more a reliable service
                              (When Ukrainian war started Kaspersky was removed from many business pcs)

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                              #109

                              @filobus @NormanDunbar @terminaltilt I'm betting on Tuta being safer for me, in California, than gmail or att.

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                              • afeinman@wandering.shopA afeinman@wandering.shop

                                @datum @pluralistic @terminaltilt tilting on this slightly:

                                The cloud is like renting a storage cube. Charging you for space and access, possibly for useful services like preservation and access. But in the end hard to get rid of and really rooted deferred decisions around downsizing.

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                                #110

                                @afeinman @datum @pluralistic @terminaltilt And like rental storage can catch fire with no warning because something stupid the landlord or another tenant did. And authorities can break in and go through your stuff without you knowing.

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                                • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

                                  Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

                                  You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

                                  AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

                                  Reject this future.

                                  Keep your hardware local.

                                  Run #Linux.

                                  Own your data.

                                  The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

                                  #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

                                  https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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                                  #111

                                  @terminaltilt Microsoft saying "you MUST have AI in your PC" is an obvious prelude to "the Windows ToC lets us train our global models using spare AI processor cycles on your computer 24/7."

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                                    #112

                                    @herrLorenz @tom @terminaltilt

                                    😆 😆

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                                    • joepie91@fedi.slightly.techJ joepie91@fedi.slightly.tech

                                      @Aprazeth @andre_ourednik @terminaltilt I was not aware of this, but I'm also not surprised. It's a general pattern that whenever profit optimization is involved, with rising labor costs, the outcome of any situation is almost always to throw more non-human resources at the problem...

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                                      #113

                                      @joepie91 @andre_ourednik @terminaltilt

                                      It's insane. Even the water consumption is not necessary.

                                      Better cooling exists and is far more efficient (Microsoft did their research and acknowledged it). But water and chemicals (anti fungicide, -herbicide, -corrosives) are way cheaper for them at this point. So that is what gets used.

                                      And the chemical sludge at the end? Good luck filtering it back to even "safe to dump" levels. Yay progress 😞

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                                      • c_merriweather@social.linux.pizzaC c_merriweather@social.linux.pizza

                                        @filobus @NormanDunbar @terminaltilt I'm betting on Tuta being safer for me, in California, than gmail or att.

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                                        @c_merriweather @NormanDunbar @terminaltilt the only thing, I've read that Tuta uses Amazon for dns (I've not looked into it any further, so I don't know if it's true o it it was true but no more o whatever)
                                        @Tutanota

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                                        • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

                                          Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

                                          You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

                                          AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

                                          Reject this future.

                                          Keep your hardware local.

                                          Run #Linux.

                                          Own your data.

                                          The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

                                          #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

                                          https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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                                          #115

                                          @terminaltilt
                                          My cloud lives in the garden shed in an old, well used Dell corporate desktop. Runs Nextcloud on Debian.

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