An important PSA for people who are active on #Bluesky and who, upon hearing that the ICE account was officially verified, are saying: "I will just block it."
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@_elena
There is no privacy on bluesky or any other application hosted in US.
US government can request data anytime.@randomized @_elena Or any cloud platform owned by a US company, regardless of where the data center is physically located
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An important PSA for people who are active on #Bluesky and who, upon hearing that the ICE account was officially verified, are saying: "I will just block it."
Blocking on Bluesky is NOT PRIVATE: it's very easy to see who is blocking any account by visiting sites that list that information.
I took a screenshot from https://clearsky.app, listing all the accounts that are blocking ICE (I pixelated avatars and usernames for privacy purposes).
The safest bet is to mute (that info is private)
@_elena
Why tf does it show who blocks a user? Is that a standard feature of bsky? -
@_elena
Why tf does it show who blocks a user? Is that a standard feature of bsky?@lazysupper @_elena I don't really know but it makes sense based on the decentralized nature of the protocol. The block v. mute must be similar to here in that if they're muted I just don't see anything by them but if I block they can't see me either.
To do that in a decentralized system you'd have to get every server that shows your stuff to not show it to them. To do that you have to tell the server that you want that done. This is going to be public info because you want all servers.
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@_elena Good advice. I do the same here. That way it is a private personal choice.
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@_elena
Better:
Leave for a better neighbourhood
@u_urban personally, i'm in a better neighborhood already (fedi), but sadly a large number of artists/makers/etc are now solely on bluesky (or are on other awful sites like Instagram).
It's partially sunk cost fallacy, because i'd rather not lose out on following these folks, but also how am I supposed to "force their hand" to move...
I have no financial connection to staying on Bluesky, but a social one (same with Instagram, you won't get nearly as much info on local events if you're not on there.....)
Change is hard idk sorry for the ramt
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@_elena
Why tf does it show who blocks a user? Is that a standard feature of bsky?@lazysupper @_elena it's a third party app that is in popular usage- I use it, it tells you when people put you on lists, which is not a vanilla notification either.
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@_elena I am staying here. No Stasi, no Nazis, no AfD, no ICE, no DHS, no CDU, no CCP….problem solved.
@canleaf@mastodon.social @_elena@mastodon.social There is definitely some CDU here, but I actually like what that person writes (and it's definitely not 100% CDU mainstream). -
@NatureMC@mastodon.online @stux@mstdn.social @_elena@mastodon.social That's because such a login wall can't work anyway. If one is evil, one can just have a second account - one to write and reply, and one just to read with. You'll never know about that second account, so blocking won't help at all.
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@u_urban personally, i'm in a better neighborhood already (fedi), but sadly a large number of artists/makers/etc are now solely on bluesky (or are on other awful sites like Instagram).
It's partially sunk cost fallacy, because i'd rather not lose out on following these folks, but also how am I supposed to "force their hand" to move...
I have no financial connection to staying on Bluesky, but a social one (same with Instagram, you won't get nearly as much info on local events if you're not on there.....)
Change is hard idk sorry for the ramt
Thank you, your repeat is welcome!
One thing doesn't fit to everyone.
Main thing is, to be concious about moving in dangerous territorry and as far as possible, avoid it.
#UnplugTrump is a long way to go, but time is running!
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The very same applies to the Fediverse, by the way: When blocking someone, that information is relayed to the instance where the blocked account is hosted. While this is not typically publicly visible, malicious instances know who blocked some of their members and can of course use that information.
(We internally used the amount of blocks as a hint to which local account to investigate, but it‘s at present not worth the hassle.)
@Saupreiss@pfalz.social @_elena@mastodon.social BTW: is it relayed to the instance right away, or only when the blocked person attempts to reply or otherwise use a feature that is to be blocked?
Either way, blocks are harmful specifically because they tell the person they're blocked. Which is why I strongly prefer mutes instead. -
@_elena I will never understand this decision. I’ve seen people say it’s just due to how ATProtocol works. But surely there’s a way they could have implemented blocks and have them private.
@bastardsheep @_elena Block by its nature cannot be private. It has an easily testable outcome.
Frankly, for a dedicated individual, block on mastodon is no different from mute with a ritual. From what I can find (without checking code), mastodon’s implementation ignores ActivityPub recommendation on not sharing block activities.
The difference here is in magnitude. Mastodon doesn’t share the list contents with the whole wild world. Only with the one you really don’t care to share it with.
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@bastardsheep @_elena Block by its nature cannot be private. It has an easily testable outcome.
Frankly, for a dedicated individual, block on mastodon is no different from mute with a ritual. From what I can find (without checking code), mastodon’s implementation ignores ActivityPub recommendation on not sharing block activities.
The difference here is in magnitude. Mastodon doesn’t share the list contents with the whole wild world. Only with the one you really don’t care to share it with.
@bastardsheep @_elena And immediate self-correction, it doesn’t violate requirement, but a recommendation:
> SHOULD NOT - This phrase, or the phrase "NOT RECOMMENDED" mean that there may exist valid reasons in particular circumstances when the particular behavior is acceptable or even useful, but the full implications should be understood and the case carefully weighed before implementing any behavior described with this label.
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@nazokiyoubinbou Just a note for the Fediverse = paradise adepts: I'm regularly blocking and if possible reporting Maga propaganda even on Mastodon. You can get evil people *everywhere*.
The question is how much you can protect yourself or if such attempts are defederated or suspended.
Here, the Fediverse is better because human moderators. But most people don't know that difference. And would Mastodon be prepared if the ICE opens an account?@NatureMC @u_urban @_elena I suspect most of Mastodon would end up blocking the entire instance with ICE on it, but I can't say for sure. And I think that would be something the servers themselves would do, not individual accounts. Perhaps some would be afraid to go that far, but I think the majority would do it.
You are right that the Fediverse is anything but perfect of course. There's only so much human moderators can do in particular. The chief difference is it's ours not some company's
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@Saupreiss@pfalz.social @_elena@mastodon.social BTW: is it relayed to the instance right away, or only when the blocked person attempts to reply or otherwise use a feature that is to be blocked?
Either way, blocks are harmful specifically because they tell the person they're blocked. Which is why I strongly prefer mutes instead.Right away. That instance needs it so that that user cannot see the toots or can reply to it, so of course there is little that could be done differently.
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@nazokiyoubinbou @u_urban @_elena When Donald Trump originally said that he would ban TikTok, where did people begin their migration?
An equivalent to TikTok owned by the Chinese government: RedNote.
The average consumer does not do a lot of thinking, research, or care really.
@shanie @u_urban @_elena Unfortunately, this is exactly what I mean.
I really really wish people would put in just... a minimum effort on things at least... Like, in general. Most people just will not even do the bare minimum. On anything...
I'm not asking for people to nearly OCD-level dig into things every time like the way some of us *cough*me*cough* do, but they could at least do a quick general search and see what people are saying outside their bubble or something...
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An important PSA for people who are active on #Bluesky and who, upon hearing that the ICE account was officially verified, are saying: "I will just block it."
Blocking on Bluesky is NOT PRIVATE: it's very easy to see who is blocking any account by visiting sites that list that information.
I took a screenshot from https://clearsky.app, listing all the accounts that are blocking ICE (I pixelated avatars and usernames for privacy purposes).
The safest bet is to mute (that info is private)
Thank you!
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An important PSA for people who are active on #Bluesky and who, upon hearing that the ICE account was officially verified, are saying: "I will just block it."
Blocking on Bluesky is NOT PRIVATE: it's very easy to see who is blocking any account by visiting sites that list that information.
I took a screenshot from https://clearsky.app, listing all the accounts that are blocking ICE (I pixelated avatars and usernames for privacy purposes).
The safest bet is to mute (that info is private)
I would also like to note that ICE is not a normal government agency. In my opinion, a normal government agency should be active on social media, at least if its goal is to be a relevant network. However, there are plenty of cases where state police have arrested ICE "officers" for acting without legal basis in their states. It is therefore not a normal agency, but an organization that acts unlawfully and is only protected by state authority, bypassing the American legal system.
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An important PSA for people who are active on #Bluesky and who, upon hearing that the ICE account was officially verified, are saying: "I will just block it."
Blocking on Bluesky is NOT PRIVATE: it's very easy to see who is blocking any account by visiting sites that list that information.
I took a screenshot from https://clearsky.app, listing all the accounts that are blocking ICE (I pixelated avatars and usernames for privacy purposes).
The safest bet is to mute (that info is private)
@_elena @mayintoronto I deleted BlueSky last Sept it not worth
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@sloanlance not just ICE but also 4Chan-minded bad actors that may harass users blocking gov accounts
@_elena
Ok. Makes sense, I guess. It's good to know the risks.PS: I remember the days when 4Chan was just silly crap.
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@u_urban @_elena I feel like all the people who went to Bluesky because Twitter died and became the rabid zombie X learned precisely nothing. It is inevitable that Bluesky will hurt them too, but they will not go to Mastodon because any of a number of silly reasons they'll fight tooth and nail not to let go of.
I suppose a Redsky will open up and they'll go to it, then it will go bad and then a Puke Green Sky will open up and they'll go to that, and then a Gangrene Sky will open...
There is one thing that Bluesky has and the Fediverse still hasn't fully implemented: shared block lists are still not supported natively by ActivityPub and require external, fragmented implementations. Bluesky has account labeling services that can work on a per-account or per-post basis, and shared lists that can be used as either starter packs or banlists. The latter is still WIP on Mastodon's side, because of the focus on being opt-in.
