An important PSA for people who are active on #Bluesky and who, upon hearing that the ICE account was officially verified, are saying: "I will just block it."
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@u_urban @_elena I feel like all the people who went to Bluesky because Twitter died and became the rabid zombie X learned precisely nothing. It is inevitable that Bluesky will hurt them too, but they will not go to Mastodon because any of a number of silly reasons they'll fight tooth and nail not to let go of.
I suppose a Redsky will open up and they'll go to it, then it will go bad and then a Puke Green Sky will open up and they'll go to that, and then a Gangrene Sky will open...
@nazokiyoubinbou @u_urban @_elena When Donald Trump originally said that he would ban TikTok, where did people begin their migration?
An equivalent to TikTok owned by the Chinese government: RedNote.
The average consumer does not do a lot of thinking, research, or care really.
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@_elena I had one Birdsite account, deleted it, never revisited … why should I care if the account name is reused over there now?
@donhawkins the risk of impersonation
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@donhawkins the risk of impersonation
@_elena Ahh, yes. Gotcha. Personally, not a major concern. Anticipated from the start & easily managed.
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An important PSA for people who are active on #Bluesky and who, upon hearing that the ICE account was officially verified, are saying: "I will just block it."
Blocking on Bluesky is NOT PRIVATE: it's very easy to see who is blocking any account by visiting sites that list that information.
I took a screenshot from https://clearsky.app, listing all the accounts that are blocking ICE (I pixelated avatars and usernames for privacy purposes).
The safest bet is to mute (that info is private)
@_elena I’m outside their jurisdiction. I want them to see they are getting blocked.
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An important PSA for people who are active on #Bluesky and who, upon hearing that the ICE account was officially verified, are saying: "I will just block it."
Blocking on Bluesky is NOT PRIVATE: it's very easy to see who is blocking any account by visiting sites that list that information.
I took a screenshot from https://clearsky.app, listing all the accounts that are blocking ICE (I pixelated avatars and usernames for privacy purposes).
The safest bet is to mute (that info is private)
@_elena Being outside the US and having no intentions to ever go there, I *have* blocked them.
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I'm well aware that posting this info on the Fediverse seems like a pointless exercise, but it's to raise awareness and spread the word to people active in BOTH places.
I was never really active on #Bluesky and entirely stopped using it months ago but there's no point in posting this info there because I have zero reach. Or rather: 1100+ followers and 1-2 likes (at best!) and zero comments for any post. It's like I'm shadow-banned.
If you use it and enjoy it no judgement but please be safe!
@_elena You have friends here.
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I'm well aware that posting this info on the Fediverse seems like a pointless exercise, but it's to raise awareness and spread the word to people active in BOTH places.
I was never really active on #Bluesky and entirely stopped using it months ago but there's no point in posting this info there because I have zero reach. Or rather: 1100+ followers and 1-2 likes (at best!) and zero comments for any post. It's like I'm shadow-banned.
If you use it and enjoy it no judgement but please be safe!
@_elena and maybe sometimes we also need to judge people using fascist platforms.
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An important PSA for people who are active on #Bluesky and who, upon hearing that the ICE account was officially verified, are saying: "I will just block it."
Blocking on Bluesky is NOT PRIVATE: it's very easy to see who is blocking any account by visiting sites that list that information.
I took a screenshot from https://clearsky.app, listing all the accounts that are blocking ICE (I pixelated avatars and usernames for privacy purposes).
The safest bet is to mute (that info is private)
@_elena Good advice. I do the same here. That way it is a private personal choice.
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I'm well aware that posting this info on the Fediverse seems like a pointless exercise, but it's to raise awareness and spread the word to people active in BOTH places.
I was never really active on #Bluesky and entirely stopped using it months ago but there's no point in posting this info there because I have zero reach. Or rather: 1100+ followers and 1-2 likes (at best!) and zero comments for any post. It's like I'm shadow-banned.
If you use it and enjoy it no judgement but please be safe!
@_elena At least for me, I just don't want to see their lies and bias. Having them on a block list does that. It stops them from polluting my feed.
Anyone who thinks that stops the US Government from reading your feed, emails, etc. hasn't read Snowdon.
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@_elena
There is no privacy on bluesky or any other application hosted in US.
US government can request data anytime.@randomized @_elena Or any cloud platform owned by a US company, regardless of where the data center is physically located
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An important PSA for people who are active on #Bluesky and who, upon hearing that the ICE account was officially verified, are saying: "I will just block it."
Blocking on Bluesky is NOT PRIVATE: it's very easy to see who is blocking any account by visiting sites that list that information.
I took a screenshot from https://clearsky.app, listing all the accounts that are blocking ICE (I pixelated avatars and usernames for privacy purposes).
The safest bet is to mute (that info is private)
@_elena
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@_elena
Why tf does it show who blocks a user? Is that a standard feature of bsky?@lazysupper @_elena I don't really know but it makes sense based on the decentralized nature of the protocol. The block v. mute must be similar to here in that if they're muted I just don't see anything by them but if I block they can't see me either.
To do that in a decentralized system you'd have to get every server that shows your stuff to not show it to them. To do that you have to tell the server that you want that done. This is going to be public info because you want all servers.
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@_elena Good advice. I do the same here. That way it is a private personal choice.
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@_elena
Better:
Leave for a better neighbourhood
@u_urban personally, i'm in a better neighborhood already (fedi), but sadly a large number of artists/makers/etc are now solely on bluesky (or are on other awful sites like Instagram).
It's partially sunk cost fallacy, because i'd rather not lose out on following these folks, but also how am I supposed to "force their hand" to move...
I have no financial connection to staying on Bluesky, but a social one (same with Instagram, you won't get nearly as much info on local events if you're not on there.....)
Change is hard idk sorry for the ramt
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@_elena
Why tf does it show who blocks a user? Is that a standard feature of bsky?@lazysupper @_elena it's a third party app that is in popular usage- I use it, it tells you when people put you on lists, which is not a vanilla notification either.
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@_elena I am staying here. No Stasi, no Nazis, no AfD, no ICE, no DHS, no CDU, no CCP….problem solved.
@canleaf@mastodon.social @_elena@mastodon.social There is definitely some CDU here, but I actually like what that person writes (and it's definitely not 100% CDU mainstream). -
@NatureMC@mastodon.online @stux@mstdn.social @_elena@mastodon.social That's because such a login wall can't work anyway. If one is evil, one can just have a second account - one to write and reply, and one just to read with. You'll never know about that second account, so blocking won't help at all.
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@u_urban personally, i'm in a better neighborhood already (fedi), but sadly a large number of artists/makers/etc are now solely on bluesky (or are on other awful sites like Instagram).
It's partially sunk cost fallacy, because i'd rather not lose out on following these folks, but also how am I supposed to "force their hand" to move...
I have no financial connection to staying on Bluesky, but a social one (same with Instagram, you won't get nearly as much info on local events if you're not on there.....)
Change is hard idk sorry for the ramt
Thank you, your repeat is welcome!
One thing doesn't fit to everyone.
Main thing is, to be concious about moving in dangerous territorry and as far as possible, avoid it.
#UnplugTrump is a long way to go, but time is running!
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The very same applies to the Fediverse, by the way: When blocking someone, that information is relayed to the instance where the blocked account is hosted. While this is not typically publicly visible, malicious instances know who blocked some of their members and can of course use that information.
(We internally used the amount of blocks as a hint to which local account to investigate, but it‘s at present not worth the hassle.)
@Saupreiss@pfalz.social @_elena@mastodon.social BTW: is it relayed to the instance right away, or only when the blocked person attempts to reply or otherwise use a feature that is to be blocked?
Either way, blocks are harmful specifically because they tell the person they're blocked. Which is why I strongly prefer mutes instead. -
@_elena I will never understand this decision. I’ve seen people say it’s just due to how ATProtocol works. But surely there’s a way they could have implemented blocks and have them private.
@bastardsheep @_elena Block by its nature cannot be private. It has an easily testable outcome.
Frankly, for a dedicated individual, block on mastodon is no different from mute with a ritual. From what I can find (without checking code), mastodon’s implementation ignores ActivityPub recommendation on not sharing block activities.
The difference here is in magnitude. Mastodon doesn’t share the list contents with the whole wild world. Only with the one you really don’t care to share it with.
