Lokjo is a european substitute for googlemaps.
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@lokjo Thanks for clarification! Maybe worth stressing this in your communication. Cause initial tweet looks like another sovereignty-washing of osm ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@lokjo regarding the satellite layers: I guess that something that needs to be done on per-country basis. There's e.g. API from dutch space office https://www.satellietdataportaal.nl/handleidingen/
Not sure about other countries though
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@lokjo regarding the satellite layers: I guess that something that needs to be done on per-country basis. There's e.g. API from dutch space office https://www.satellietdataportaal.nl/handleidingen/
Not sure about other countries though
@lokjo ^ available only in NL for some reason
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- My location is ~100m off
- Search local biz by name: gives long tags (not human-readable) that push address outside of screen, so I don't know which result to pick
- Results not in order of proximity: first result is from other city, exacerbating prev problem
- Clicking on result showed pin without address and so zoomed in that map was empty
- Picking "to" for directions showed from/to UI but nothing prefilled, and since I don't see the address, I can't do anything.Stopped there.
Thanks for your feedback!
- We don't have any location problems registered. Do you use gps or browser-location or other?
- there's many locations around the world having the same name, please try again but with the city name included. F.e. 'Shopname, Hamburg'
- Proximity is on for search. Should work fine. Could you give an example?
- Not every OSM location has an address, that's normal behaviour.
- That's a known bug indeed, it's on the list to be fixed. -
@lokjo Thanks for clarification! Maybe worth stressing this in your communication. Cause initial tweet looks like another sovereignty-washing of osm ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yes it's in our bio, and since it's not the main core of our purpouse and we have to keep it short in tweets we didn't added it. But thanks for hte feedback! (including the dutch satelite images)
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its any help I've noticed that when I use OSMAnd I had to select blocks of countries I regularly visit to tag them for updates (in my case its only the UK), so maybe there are different update schemes for different countries or something needs to be activated for whole of Europe.
If you are tagging independent shops/organisations these can appear or close/change hands very quickly, so regular updates (ideally every month) would be essential for accuracy..
@vfrmedia
I am seeing the same around me in Spain, where I added and updated quite a few shops last year. As far as I can tell from looking at which of my changesets are reflected in the map, the data is older than 23 July but newer than 7 June - so a 5 or 6 month lag.As already mentioned, such a long lag is a big drawback given the focus on local businesses.
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@vfrmedia
I am seeing the same around me in Spain, where I added and updated quite a few shops last year. As far as I can tell from looking at which of my changesets are reflected in the map, the data is older than 23 July but newer than 7 June - so a 5 or 6 month lag.As already mentioned, such a long lag is a big drawback given the focus on local businesses.
@lokjo @NatureMC@vfrmedia @lokjo @NatureMC The problem does seem to be at the geoapify end, judging by their "map playground".
The first screenshot is from osm.org. The cafe and tobacconist were added by me on 23 July.
The 2nd screenshot from the geoapify playground is missing these, and shows a bank (Cajamar) that I removed on the same date.
Link to the cafe for reference: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/13019344892
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Lokjo is a european substitute for googlemaps.
No cookies, no data, no nothing.
When you search locations by category (clothing shop, coffee bar, museum etc) it shows all locations at once. Except for corporations and chains, they get a grey dot.
Support us if you can by a donation here:
https://www.lokjo.com/donateOr just give it a boost. Thanks.
@lokjo just so you know, blocked by the DNS service Cisco umbrella, can't see how to report an incorrect block but I'll keep looking...
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its any help I've noticed that when I use OSMAnd I had to select blocks of countries I regularly visit to tag them for updates (in my case its only the UK), so maybe there are different update schemes for different countries or something needs to be activated for whole of Europe.
If you are tagging independent shops/organisations these can appear or close/change hands very quickly, so regular updates (ideally every month) would be essential for accuracy..
@vfrmedia @lokjo It has much less data than OSM in my area. The missing data is not just more-or-less recent (a few months) but also things that were added to OSM 4 or 5 years ago or even more than 8 years ago.
I don't think the problem is only it's only old info. That seems to me it's plain incomplete data, such as missing names on many buildings, as even very old data is missing.
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Lokjo is a european substitute for googlemaps.
No cookies, no data, no nothing.
When you search locations by category (clothing shop, coffee bar, museum etc) it shows all locations at once. Except for corporations and chains, they get a grey dot.
Support us if you can by a donation here:
https://www.lokjo.com/donateOr just give it a boost. Thanks.
Fantastic, I've been looking for an alternative !
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Lokjo is a european substitute for googlemaps.
No cookies, no data, no nothing.
When you search locations by category (clothing shop, coffee bar, museum etc) it shows all locations at once. Except for corporations and chains, they get a grey dot.
Support us if you can by a donation here:
https://www.lokjo.com/donateOr just give it a boost. Thanks.
Do you have an app?
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Thanks for your feedback!
- We don't have any location problems registered. Do you use gps or browser-location or other?
- there's many locations around the world having the same name, please try again but with the city name included. F.e. 'Shopname, Hamburg'
- Proximity is on for search. Should work fine. Could you give an example?
- Not every OSM location has an address, that's normal behaviour.
- That's a known bug indeed, it's on the list to be fixed.- Location: GPS on my phone, accurate on other sites/apps.
- Include city name: we have numerous small towns in an agglomeration, so that's entirely impractical.
- Proximity: go to https://www.lokjo.com/#m=19:45.47487:-73.48807:0 and type "Patrick Morin": first result is 30 minutes away across the river; closest would be 10 minutes away.
- Address: but you do have the street and city name in the autocomplete, which I can *sometimes* see on desktop - it's clipped entirely on mobile due to ridiculously long tag) -
- Location: GPS on my phone, accurate on other sites/apps.
- Include city name: we have numerous small towns in an agglomeration, so that's entirely impractical.
- Proximity: go to https://www.lokjo.com/#m=19:45.47487:-73.48807:0 and type "Patrick Morin": first result is 30 minutes away across the river; closest would be 10 minutes away.
- Address: but you do have the street and city name in the autocomplete, which I can *sometimes* see on desktop - it's clipped entirely on mobile due to ridiculously long tag)More on proximity: let's assume you don't have the Brossard store in the database. How can I tell?
- long tag + long street name causes city name to be clipped (street names repeat in every city here)
- there is no distance in km to evaluate result relevance
- when I pick a result, it's zoomed in (img1) and loses street/city info: I have to pinch-zoom for quite some time (img2)
- I have to retype the search if this is not the one I wanted, and remember which ones I already tried
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The satelite laywer got removed since there is no non-corporate european api for that.
OSM data doesn't mean 'it's just OSM'. Lokjo is a website build completely on it's own, using different apis from different european providers. (except for US Mapbox, used for the routing, which has been on the list to be replaced soon)
@lokjo
@oxapentane
Accessing OSM data through different APIs than the OSM one still makes you an OSM frontend. You shouldn't be ashamed of that, we do need good OSM frontends, but I find it a bit disingenouous to pretend like you are not and have your own maps and POIs.
I am glad to see a proper credit in the OSM leaflet! -
@lokjo just so you know, blocked by the DNS service Cisco umbrella, can't see how to report an incorrect block but I'll keep looking...
Oh hey thanks for the feedback, I'll check it asap.
I remember something like this a few months ago with the same local corporate structure which could be whitelisted.
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- Location: GPS on my phone, accurate on other sites/apps.
- Include city name: we have numerous small towns in an agglomeration, so that's entirely impractical.
- Proximity: go to https://www.lokjo.com/#m=19:45.47487:-73.48807:0 and type "Patrick Morin": first result is 30 minutes away across the river; closest would be 10 minutes away.
- Address: but you do have the street and city name in the autocomplete, which I can *sometimes* see on desktop - it's clipped entirely on mobile due to ridiculously long tag)- Can't do much about this, I'll add it though to double check.
- that's not something I can fix.
- the proximity in 30 minute range is not an option I think, it's out of the settings scope.
- when the autocomplete has an address but the map not then it might be because of different apis, this will be fixed in the updates on the way.
Patrick Morin, These look like chains, so logically they all have the same OSM tagging.
Will work on it, thanks again!
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@DaniPanic @lokjo @sonjavan62 It's just useless virtue signaling.
The shops near me are "chains" in that they often are under a larger franchise, but sell local goods, employ local workers, support local efforts and events (such as food pantries and our community clinic with coffee and breakfasts for the homeless and addicts we serve). It's utter BS and just an attempt at "hey, here, use this. It's shit, but it has this dogmatic moral compass" which is precisely why Google and Instagram and others win every time with an "hey, try this, it's amazing but its moral compass is whack if you look deep enough".
If I want an app to push their morals on me, I move to North Korea. I am old enough to decide for myself if I want to shop at a hipster vegan cafe (marked as "we don't support that" by the way) or Starbucks.
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Lokjo is a european substitute for googlemaps.
No cookies, no data, no nothing.
When you search locations by category (clothing shop, coffee bar, museum etc) it shows all locations at once. Except for corporations and chains, they get a grey dot.
Support us if you can by a donation here:
https://www.lokjo.com/donateOr just give it a boost. Thanks.
@lokjo@mapstodon.space do you use openstreetmaps? -
@lokjo@mapstodon.space do you use openstreetmaps?
Yes it's osm data.
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Yes it's european indeed, but it's also owned by international (and american) investors. Something we don't support.
About the public transport, that's a difficult one, since it consists of thousands of local transport companies, which can only be gathered by companies who have a rediculously huge budget, like google. There's really not much we can do there, for now.
@lokjo @dokterjob Have a look at @transitous
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@lokjo @dokterjob Have a look at @transitous
@benedikt @dokterjob @transitous
Looks promising, thanks!
