Lokjo is a european substitute for googlemaps.
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@lokjo im definitely one to prefer an offline map that can be downloaded to my phone (i dont like the others and fucking hate magic earth after its recent update) but for when i have internet connectivity im really liking this, appreciate it, looking forward to whatever comes next
Downloadable maps might come in the future, for now we focus on internet connection, since most people have it, and it saves a whopping lot on development costs for an app.
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@lokjo
"Alternative to google maps!"
looks inside: osm(?) with custom skin, no satellite layer."EU based alternative" in a nutshell
The satelite laywer got removed since there is no non-corporate european api for that.
OSM data doesn't mean 'it's just OSM'. Lokjo is a website build completely on it's own, using different apis from different european providers. (except for US Mapbox, used for the routing, which has been on the list to be replaced soon)
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@lokjo Always nice to see (attributed) #OpenStreetMap data reuse!
I'm a bit confused by what you mean with "european" and "no data". Currently the website transfers every visitor's personal data to the USA, as it loads resources served by Cloudflare (maps.geoapify.com and unpkg.com).
As far as I'm concerned all data/pois/tiles are on european servers.
api-eu.geoapify.com is in the UK.
https://hosting-checker.net/websites/api-eu.geoapify.com
unpkg is only for routing (mapbox) which is on the list to be replaced soon.
With no-data I mean we don't store visitor data and therefor don't use cookies.
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@lokjo Merci!
You're welcome
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Which bugs are you getting?
- My location is ~100m off
- Search local biz by name: gives long tags (not human-readable) that push address outside of screen, so I don't know which result to pick
- Results not in order of proximity: first result is from other city, exacerbating prev problem
- Clicking on result showed pin without address and so zoomed in that map was empty
- Picking "to" for directions showed from/to UI but nothing prefilled, and since I don't see the address, I can't do anything.Stopped there.
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The satelite laywer got removed since there is no non-corporate european api for that.
OSM data doesn't mean 'it's just OSM'. Lokjo is a website build completely on it's own, using different apis from different european providers. (except for US Mapbox, used for the routing, which has been on the list to be replaced soon)
@lokjo Thanks for clarification! Maybe worth stressing this in your communication. Cause initial tweet looks like another sovereignty-washing of osm ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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@lokjo Thanks for clarification! Maybe worth stressing this in your communication. Cause initial tweet looks like another sovereignty-washing of osm ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@lokjo regarding the satellite layers: I guess that something that needs to be done on per-country basis. There's e.g. API from dutch space office https://www.satellietdataportaal.nl/handleidingen/
Not sure about other countries though
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@lokjo regarding the satellite layers: I guess that something that needs to be done on per-country basis. There's e.g. API from dutch space office https://www.satellietdataportaal.nl/handleidingen/
Not sure about other countries though
@lokjo ^ available only in NL for some reason
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- My location is ~100m off
- Search local biz by name: gives long tags (not human-readable) that push address outside of screen, so I don't know which result to pick
- Results not in order of proximity: first result is from other city, exacerbating prev problem
- Clicking on result showed pin without address and so zoomed in that map was empty
- Picking "to" for directions showed from/to UI but nothing prefilled, and since I don't see the address, I can't do anything.Stopped there.
Thanks for your feedback!
- We don't have any location problems registered. Do you use gps or browser-location or other?
- there's many locations around the world having the same name, please try again but with the city name included. F.e. 'Shopname, Hamburg'
- Proximity is on for search. Should work fine. Could you give an example?
- Not every OSM location has an address, that's normal behaviour.
- That's a known bug indeed, it's on the list to be fixed. -
@lokjo Thanks for clarification! Maybe worth stressing this in your communication. Cause initial tweet looks like another sovereignty-washing of osm ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yes it's in our bio, and since it's not the main core of our purpouse and we have to keep it short in tweets we didn't added it. But thanks for hte feedback! (including the dutch satelite images)
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its any help I've noticed that when I use OSMAnd I had to select blocks of countries I regularly visit to tag them for updates (in my case its only the UK), so maybe there are different update schemes for different countries or something needs to be activated for whole of Europe.
If you are tagging independent shops/organisations these can appear or close/change hands very quickly, so regular updates (ideally every month) would be essential for accuracy..
@vfrmedia
I am seeing the same around me in Spain, where I added and updated quite a few shops last year. As far as I can tell from looking at which of my changesets are reflected in the map, the data is older than 23 July but newer than 7 June - so a 5 or 6 month lag.As already mentioned, such a long lag is a big drawback given the focus on local businesses.
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@vfrmedia
I am seeing the same around me in Spain, where I added and updated quite a few shops last year. As far as I can tell from looking at which of my changesets are reflected in the map, the data is older than 23 July but newer than 7 June - so a 5 or 6 month lag.As already mentioned, such a long lag is a big drawback given the focus on local businesses.
@lokjo @NatureMC@vfrmedia @lokjo @NatureMC The problem does seem to be at the geoapify end, judging by their "map playground".
The first screenshot is from osm.org. The cafe and tobacconist were added by me on 23 July.
The 2nd screenshot from the geoapify playground is missing these, and shows a bank (Cajamar) that I removed on the same date.
Link to the cafe for reference: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/13019344892
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Lokjo is a european substitute for googlemaps.
No cookies, no data, no nothing.
When you search locations by category (clothing shop, coffee bar, museum etc) it shows all locations at once. Except for corporations and chains, they get a grey dot.
Support us if you can by a donation here:
https://www.lokjo.com/donateOr just give it a boost. Thanks.
@lokjo just so you know, blocked by the DNS service Cisco umbrella, can't see how to report an incorrect block but I'll keep looking...
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its any help I've noticed that when I use OSMAnd I had to select blocks of countries I regularly visit to tag them for updates (in my case its only the UK), so maybe there are different update schemes for different countries or something needs to be activated for whole of Europe.
If you are tagging independent shops/organisations these can appear or close/change hands very quickly, so regular updates (ideally every month) would be essential for accuracy..
@vfrmedia @lokjo It has much less data than OSM in my area. The missing data is not just more-or-less recent (a few months) but also things that were added to OSM 4 or 5 years ago or even more than 8 years ago.
I don't think the problem is only it's only old info. That seems to me it's plain incomplete data, such as missing names on many buildings, as even very old data is missing.
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Lokjo is a european substitute for googlemaps.
No cookies, no data, no nothing.
When you search locations by category (clothing shop, coffee bar, museum etc) it shows all locations at once. Except for corporations and chains, they get a grey dot.
Support us if you can by a donation here:
https://www.lokjo.com/donateOr just give it a boost. Thanks.
Fantastic, I've been looking for an alternative !
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Lokjo is a european substitute for googlemaps.
No cookies, no data, no nothing.
When you search locations by category (clothing shop, coffee bar, museum etc) it shows all locations at once. Except for corporations and chains, they get a grey dot.
Support us if you can by a donation here:
https://www.lokjo.com/donateOr just give it a boost. Thanks.
Do you have an app?
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Thanks for your feedback!
- We don't have any location problems registered. Do you use gps or browser-location or other?
- there's many locations around the world having the same name, please try again but with the city name included. F.e. 'Shopname, Hamburg'
- Proximity is on for search. Should work fine. Could you give an example?
- Not every OSM location has an address, that's normal behaviour.
- That's a known bug indeed, it's on the list to be fixed.- Location: GPS on my phone, accurate on other sites/apps.
- Include city name: we have numerous small towns in an agglomeration, so that's entirely impractical.
- Proximity: go to https://www.lokjo.com/#m=19:45.47487:-73.48807:0 and type "Patrick Morin": first result is 30 minutes away across the river; closest would be 10 minutes away.
- Address: but you do have the street and city name in the autocomplete, which I can *sometimes* see on desktop - it's clipped entirely on mobile due to ridiculously long tag) -
- Location: GPS on my phone, accurate on other sites/apps.
- Include city name: we have numerous small towns in an agglomeration, so that's entirely impractical.
- Proximity: go to https://www.lokjo.com/#m=19:45.47487:-73.48807:0 and type "Patrick Morin": first result is 30 minutes away across the river; closest would be 10 minutes away.
- Address: but you do have the street and city name in the autocomplete, which I can *sometimes* see on desktop - it's clipped entirely on mobile due to ridiculously long tag)More on proximity: let's assume you don't have the Brossard store in the database. How can I tell?
- long tag + long street name causes city name to be clipped (street names repeat in every city here)
- there is no distance in km to evaluate result relevance
- when I pick a result, it's zoomed in (img1) and loses street/city info: I have to pinch-zoom for quite some time (img2)
- I have to retype the search if this is not the one I wanted, and remember which ones I already tried
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The satelite laywer got removed since there is no non-corporate european api for that.
OSM data doesn't mean 'it's just OSM'. Lokjo is a website build completely on it's own, using different apis from different european providers. (except for US Mapbox, used for the routing, which has been on the list to be replaced soon)
@lokjo
@oxapentane
Accessing OSM data through different APIs than the OSM one still makes you an OSM frontend. You shouldn't be ashamed of that, we do need good OSM frontends, but I find it a bit disingenouous to pretend like you are not and have your own maps and POIs.
I am glad to see a proper credit in the OSM leaflet! -
@lokjo just so you know, blocked by the DNS service Cisco umbrella, can't see how to report an incorrect block but I'll keep looking...
Oh hey thanks for the feedback, I'll check it asap.
I remember something like this a few months ago with the same local corporate structure which could be whitelisted.
