We Need to Stick Together!
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Then maybe obviously I meant it as "authority", not "dictatorship"? What people want versus what the higher ups want. Police is also authority. That word has multiple definitions my dude. Context matters.
Authority is a different word from authoritarian, and you clearly used the latter. You're the one bringing up which country does or doesn't support Maduro, so don't try to scurry out of it.
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so you submit to the empire that rules you…
No, I'm organized against without the support or supporting others
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Authority is a different word from authoritarian, and you clearly used the latter. You're the one bringing up which country does or doesn't support Maduro, so don't try to scurry out of it.
Please re-read my comment. I don't know what else to tell you.
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Please re-read my comment. I don't know what else to tell you.
There is no definition of "authoritarian" as "authority" in common English language, you're trying to redefine words. The word you mean is "authority figure" or "authoritative".
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OK so you are a evronationalist militarist, nice to know there are so many right-wingers on Lemmy now... ( ,,⩌'︿'⩌,,)
Ironic comment because almost all anti-EU people in Europe are far-right.
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Most eurolibs would happily allow European imperialism and justify it by arguing if they didn't do it someone else would
Is this "European imperialism" in the room with us right now?
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Saying Europe is a US vassal state is a bit much lol. Europe is one of the biggest economic powers in the world together with the US and China. They all export and import a lot of wares between each other and thus depend on each other. The tariff deal the EU got with the US wasn't that great and the leader of the European commission, Ursula von der Leyen, got some backlash because of that but I guess her tactic was to just appease Trump so they will have more time to transition away from the US in some areas. On the other hand that deal reduced some very annoying tariffs on steel and car parts, so it was partially successful.
transition away from the US
And transition to China
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How much is your socialism gonna help anybody when a fascist state overthrows you because you don't have a military?
Funding a defense force isn't inherently right-wing militarism; it's a practical necessity in the world we live in. Its primary function is as a deterrent to potential invaders, it only goes into kinetic operations when its function as a deterrent fails. All the more reason to maintain a strong military.
Peace is more likely when your adversaries know they won't stand a chance against you.
you don't have a military
The only leftist ideology that advocates against an active military is anarchism. Anarchists prefer spontaneous militias that activate as soon as another state acts on them. Obviously there are downsides to this practice as 1) gathering up a militia and organizing them can take time away from defending against outside oppressors, which can jeopardize defense in general, and 2) gathering up a militia of normal folk in a society means they won't be actively trained in conducting warfare effectively, or at least not as much as another state that does have an active military - this also represents a lower hand which can again jeopardize defense in general.
Marxist-Leninist communists believe that an active military that trains its population and performs drills regularly is the most suitable defense against capitalist states, since they have their own military doing the same.
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"Look someone had to rape every single brown person and steal their stuff. So why not Europe? They swore they don't do that anymore."
Oh yeah and we know they totally stopped after WW2, yup no neocolonialism or backing foreign military occupations. Just look at how Europe is treating the Palestinian occupation, they sent them unlimited weapons very strongly as an act of condemnation. Look their feelings are hurt and that's close enough to real action.
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Is this "European imperialism" in the room with us right now?
No but its in northern Africa and the Middle East, I have been to Palestine personally. Those starving children don't care that a couple of EU members have strongly worded statements when the weapons flow freely.
I don't care what eurolibs have to say, their actions speak significantly louder
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you don't have a military
The only leftist ideology that advocates against an active military is anarchism. Anarchists prefer spontaneous militias that activate as soon as another state acts on them. Obviously there are downsides to this practice as 1) gathering up a militia and organizing them can take time away from defending against outside oppressors, which can jeopardize defense in general, and 2) gathering up a militia of normal folk in a society means they won't be actively trained in conducting warfare effectively, or at least not as much as another state that does have an active military - this also represents a lower hand which can again jeopardize defense in general.
Marxist-Leninist communists believe that an active military that trains its population and performs drills regularly is the most suitable defense against capitalist states, since they have their own military doing the same.
Tell that to the person being "unapologetically socialist" whom I responded to.
Anarchists can't even organize a voting bloc or a civil sector, and they think a militia will spontaneously activate when needed? Oh please.
For the record, I am somewhere on the left of the spectrum. I believe both social democracy and democratic socialism have their merits. I'm definitely not an ML, for various reasons including I believe they're too authoritarian and I find them insufferable.
But I also believe that modern social democracies such as are found in western and northern Europe have societies and ways of life that are worth defending, even if that means fighting for them. With the threat looming to the east, I find it imperative for Europe to fund a strong military coalition/alliance.
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Still 2 vs 1.
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There is no definition of "authoritarian" as "authority" in common English language, you're trying to redefine words. The word you mean is "authority figure" or "authoritative".
https://fiveable.me/key-terms/ap-psych-revised/authoritarian-figures
Having authority over most of the subjects means being an authoritarian figure amongst those subjects. How much of an authoritarian a leader is, is another question. When I said "authority versus people", again, I quite clearly meant voices of people versus voices of prime ministers and presidents who probably have different dealings going on.
The word "figure" plays a rather important role, as I never said "authoritarians".
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I want a Europe that is strong and stands for European values.
If the USA also follows those values we work together.
If they don't, we can do it without them.
But only if we in Europe are united!
European values.
That's a myth.
There may be baseline values like, dunno, humanity, other than that you can't have broad common values east to west north to south, countries are too different. -
People (note that I'm saying people, not whatever authoritarian figure you simp for) are celebrating this, from Brazil, to Colombia, and in Venezuela. Get a grip.
Get a grip.
Get better sources.
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Ironic comment because almost all anti-EU people in Europe are far-right.
Really? How interesting...
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No but its in northern Africa and the Middle East, I have been to Palestine personally. Those starving children don't care that a couple of EU members have strongly worded statements when the weapons flow freely.
I don't care what eurolibs have to say, their actions speak significantly louder
It's in every room in Africa. But they're not white so the media ignores it.
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It's in every room in Africa. But they're not white so the media ignores it.
Of course the very statement "in the room with us right now" clearly states the intent, that's somewhere else to people of a different skin color so clearly it doesn't matter. The average eurolib has no sympathy to the starving and oppressed of the global south.
In the past the eurolib argued that they were "civilizing" them with Christianity, that has not changed yet the justifications have (now its "women's rights", "democracy", and "human rights")
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Of course the very statement "in the room with us right now" clearly states the intent, that's somewhere else to people of a different skin color so clearly it doesn't matter. The average eurolib has no sympathy to the starving and oppressed of the global south.
In the past the eurolib argued that they were "civilizing" them with Christianity, that has not changed yet the justifications have (now its "women's rights", "democracy", and "human rights")
Yep, they love to just change the meanings of those words to suit themselves.
I would love for them to have more equality and protections for minorities of all kinds, but just enforcing that from our country or any other country is using political manipulation for a vague gain. If the shoe was on the other foot, they'd scream about election interference.
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Yep, they love to just change the meanings of those words to suit themselves.
I would love for them to have more equality and protections for minorities of all kinds, but just enforcing that from our country or any other country is using political manipulation for a vague gain. If the shoe was on the other foot, they'd scream about election interference.
Well I would also love that too but butchering women wont make them more free, bombing hospitals doesn't increase the sanctity of human life, burning children alive with Incendiary weapons wont teach them to love the west, installing dictators wont make them more democratic, and funding brutal civil wars doesn't make minorities safer.
Eurolibs will insist only Americans did this but the records don't lie, the EU was a participant and Eurolibs supported it
