Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.

@dan@discuss.systems

Let's see ... makes it pay per wash cycle?

@AnguaDelphine @dan
Tiered subscription model to release more features depending on the level you’ve payed for.

@dan
What brand? So I don’t buy one.

@dan
- "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
- "Why is on the internet?"
- "To download software updates!"
- "Why does it need software updates?"
- "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
- "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
- "Because it's on the internet!"

@qurlyjoe @dan
The logo tells me it is a BSH device (Bosch Siemens Hausgeräte)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSH_Hausger%C3%A4te

@dan Same!

@someone_else @dan

Vernetzte Systeme sind ja ganz nett - wenn es darum geht den Spüler dann laufen zu lassen, wenn Energie verfügbar ist.
Allerdings benötigt das Teil dafür eigentlich keinen "Internet" Zugang sondern nur eine Schnittstelle, die sich sicher gestalten lässt.
Seufz. DIese AI-isierung und zwanghafte Vernetzung übers www von Haushaltsgeräten ist echt die Pest.

#InternetOfThings #Security

@someone_else @dan I have not seen this discussed often, but parceling out software even for a one-time feature enabling move has become a way to circumnavigate tariffs. Ship and invoice hardware at cost or even lower, enable functionality after arrival for a price that does not appear on import documents. Very useful, if not necessary for continuing to outsource production to cheap labor or dropship stuff altogether.

The shitty incentives of the current economic system abound.

@flyIng @someone_else @dan Ich hatte mal eine interessante Unterhaltung mit einem Geschäftsführer einer IoT-Firma. Und der hasste das I in IoT und fand das nur einen gigantischen Hack darum, dass man die Device-2-Device-Kommunikation nicht standardisiert hinkriegt. Stattdessen redet das Thermostat mit dem Rechenzentrum, die Heizung mit dem Rechenzentrum und die Integration wird dort gebastelt und gefixt.

@someone_else @dan endless_screaming.gif

@dan
Maybe it’s installing a new shelf layout

@dan Does it have a web cam inside? Hackers might be able to steal all your dirty secrets?

I've always wanted to watch my plates get cleaned whist I'm out

@someone_else @dan To be fair, being able to use my phone to start it or stop it or check if it's running, even when I'm out, is pretty useful.

Maybe I had set it to start at 12:00, but my house runs through solar and I know the dishwasher uses a lot of power, and now at 11:50 I see it's suddenly gone super overcast and I check my inverter (which is also Internet-connected) and I see it's currently only getting in like 140W where I would've expected 2400W, so I want to abort the timer that starts the dishwasher (or if the dishwasher is CURRENTLY running, I want to stop it immediately). ‍️

@dan Yet...

@dan Dishwasher: "Can't run now. Not full enough".

@someone_else @dan https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2025/i-wont-connect-my-dishwasher-your-stupid-cloud/

@GrahamDowns @someone_else @dan Be realistic. When are you actually micromanaging that stuff so precisely? I'd wager, never. Instead, you have an automation set up somewhere that does this automatically for you.
There is no actual technical reason why that "somewhere" would have to be in the "cloud". It should be in your own home, on your own local network, under your control. And if you really do want to check in on anything from outside, use a VPN to connect to your home network.

@someone_else @dan So it can look at dishwasher porn

@Silberwoelfin @someone_else @dan My dishwasher isn't internet-connected.

But I check my inverter while I'm out. All the time. And I switch it over to AC First if the sun disappears because I don't want the battery running dead.

I also check my home camera system when I'm out... Fairly often. Particular when we're away for long periods of time, and I want to check on my dog.

I also use my Google Home app from the car, to switch on the outside lights when we're driving home late at night.

I could set up a VPN at home and make sure I connect to it from my phone, but that would require installing servers at home and finding software and constant tinkering... which, to be honest, I used to love doing, I could spend hours on that sort of thing, but as I get older, more and more, I'm wanting stuff to just... work.

I'm capable of troubleshooting when it doesn't, and I'm not completely helpless like so many non-technical people, but I'd rather not have to spend all day, every day, troubleshooting.

@someone_else @dan Both my cousin and sister have a Bosch series 4 dishwasher. Cousin's is 2-3 years old, and has no WiFi connectivity, sister's is about half a year old, has WiFi, and requires you to use the app to use some features that are available through buttons on the older model, because it's so much easier to put the dishes in, find the phone, unlock it, run the app, wait for it to load, scroll down to the dishwasher, tap it, then select the program instead of pressing 2-5 buttons.