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Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.

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  • dan@discuss.systemsD This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.

    At least it’s not adding new AI features, I guess…

    jumile@mas.toJ anguadelphine@mk.absturztau.beA qurlyjoe@mstdn.socialQ someone_else@infosec.exchangeS oz@mastodonsweden.seO 9 Antworten Letzte Antwort
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    • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

      Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.

      At least it’s not adding new AI features, I guess…

      jumile@mas.toJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      @dan You hope. Or yet. 😅

      At least they're not at the "mandatory security update" stage of force-fed updates. Silver lining?

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      • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

        Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.

        At least it’s not adding new AI features, I guess…

        anguadelphine@mk.absturztau.beA This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @dan@discuss.systems

        Let's see ... makes it pay per wash cycle?

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        • anguadelphine@mk.absturztau.beA anguadelphine@mk.absturztau.be

          @dan@discuss.systems

          Let's see ... makes it pay per wash cycle?

          qurlyjoe@mstdn.socialQ This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @AnguaDelphine @dan
          Tiered subscription model to release more features depending on the level you’ve payed for.

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          • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

            Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.

            At least it’s not adding new AI features, I guess…

            qurlyjoe@mstdn.socialQ This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            @dan
            What brand? So I don’t buy one.

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            • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

              Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.

              At least it’s not adding new AI features, I guess…

              someone_else@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @dan
              - "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
              - "Why is on the internet?"
              - "To download software updates!"
              - "Why does it need software updates?"
              - "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
              - "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
              - "Because it's on the internet!"

              flying@mastodon.bachgau.socialF jakob@pxi.socialJ redrummy@ohai.socialR grahamdowns@mastodon.africaG 8472@norden.social8 10 Antworten Letzte Antwort
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              • qurlyjoe@mstdn.socialQ qurlyjoe@mstdn.social

                @dan
                What brand? So I don’t buy one.

                someone_else@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
                someone_else@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
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                #7

                @qurlyjoe @dan
                The logo tells me it is a BSH device (Bosch Siemens Hausgeräte)

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSH_Hausger%C3%A4te

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                • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

                  Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.

                  At least it’s not adding new AI features, I guess…

                  oz@mastodonsweden.seO This user is from outside of this forum
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                  oz@mastodonsweden.se
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                  #8

                  @dan Same!

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                  • someone_else@infosec.exchangeS someone_else@infosec.exchange

                    @dan
                    - "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
                    - "Why is on the internet?"
                    - "To download software updates!"
                    - "Why does it need software updates?"
                    - "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
                    - "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
                    - "Because it's on the internet!"

                    flying@mastodon.bachgau.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
                    flying@mastodon.bachgau.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
                    flying@mastodon.bachgau.social
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                    #9

                    @someone_else @dan

                    Vernetzte Systeme sind ja ganz nett - wenn es darum geht den Spüler dann laufen zu lassen, wenn Energie verfügbar ist.
                    Allerdings benötigt das Teil dafür eigentlich keinen "Internet" Zugang sondern nur eine Schnittstelle, die sich sicher gestalten lässt.
                    Seufz. DIese AI-isierung und zwanghafte Vernetzung übers www von Haushaltsgeräten ist echt die Pest.

                    #InternetOfThings #Security

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                    • someone_else@infosec.exchangeS someone_else@infosec.exchange

                      @dan
                      - "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
                      - "Why is on the internet?"
                      - "To download software updates!"
                      - "Why does it need software updates?"
                      - "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
                      - "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
                      - "Because it's on the internet!"

                      jakob@pxi.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10

                      @someone_else @dan I have not seen this discussed often, but parceling out software even for a one-time feature enabling move has become a way to circumnavigate tariffs. Ship and invoice hardware at cost or even lower, enable functionality after arrival for a price that does not appear on import documents. Very useful, if not necessary for continuing to outsource production to cheap labor or dropship stuff altogether.

                      The shitty incentives of the current economic system abound.

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                      • wando@troet.cafeW wando@troet.cafe shared this topic
                      • flying@mastodon.bachgau.socialF flying@mastodon.bachgau.social

                        @someone_else @dan

                        Vernetzte Systeme sind ja ganz nett - wenn es darum geht den Spüler dann laufen zu lassen, wenn Energie verfügbar ist.
                        Allerdings benötigt das Teil dafür eigentlich keinen "Internet" Zugang sondern nur eine Schnittstelle, die sich sicher gestalten lässt.
                        Seufz. DIese AI-isierung und zwanghafte Vernetzung übers www von Haushaltsgeräten ist echt die Pest.

                        #InternetOfThings #Security

                        skade@hachyderm.ioS This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #11

                        @flyIng @someone_else @dan Ich hatte mal eine interessante Unterhaltung mit einem Geschäftsführer einer IoT-Firma. Und der hasste das I in IoT und fand das nur einen gigantischen Hack darum, dass man die Device-2-Device-Kommunikation nicht standardisiert hinkriegt. Stattdessen redet das Thermostat mit dem Rechenzentrum, die Heizung mit dem Rechenzentrum und die Integration wird dort gebastelt und gefixt.

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                        • someone_else@infosec.exchangeS someone_else@infosec.exchange

                          @dan
                          - "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
                          - "Why is on the internet?"
                          - "To download software updates!"
                          - "Why does it need software updates?"
                          - "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
                          - "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
                          - "Because it's on the internet!"

                          redrummy@ohai.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #12

                          @someone_else @dan endless_screaming.gif

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                          • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

                            Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.

                            At least it’s not adding new AI features, I guess…

                            robtherunt@cupoftea.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #13

                            @dan
                            Maybe it’s installing a new shelf layout

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                            • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

                              Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.

                              At least it’s not adding new AI features, I guess…

                              dave2022@mastodonapp.ukD This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #14

                              @dan Does it have a web cam inside? Hackers might be able to steal all your dirty secrets?

                              I've always wanted to watch my plates get cleaned whist I'm out 🤣

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                              • someone_else@infosec.exchangeS someone_else@infosec.exchange

                                @dan
                                - "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
                                - "Why is on the internet?"
                                - "To download software updates!"
                                - "Why does it need software updates?"
                                - "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
                                - "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
                                - "Because it's on the internet!"

                                grahamdowns@mastodon.africaG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #15

                                @someone_else @dan To be fair, being able to use my phone to start it or stop it or check if it's running, even when I'm out, is pretty useful.

                                Maybe I had set it to start at 12:00, but my house runs through solar and I know the dishwasher uses a lot of power, and now at 11:50 I see it's suddenly gone super overcast and I check my inverter (which is also Internet-connected) and I see it's currently only getting in like 140W where I would've expected 2400W, so I want to abort the timer that starts the dishwasher (or if the dishwasher is CURRENTLY running, I want to stop it immediately). 🤷‍♂️

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                                • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

                                  Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.

                                  At least it’s not adding new AI features, I guess…

                                  mcwabbit@tenforward.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #16

                                  @dan Yet...

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                                  • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

                                    Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.

                                    At least it’s not adding new AI features, I guess…

                                    eetschrijver@mastodon.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #17

                                    @dan Dishwasher: "Can't run now. Not full enough".

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                                    • someone_else@infosec.exchangeS someone_else@infosec.exchange

                                      @dan
                                      - "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
                                      - "Why is on the internet?"
                                      - "To download software updates!"
                                      - "Why does it need software updates?"
                                      - "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
                                      - "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
                                      - "Because it's on the internet!"

                                      8472@norden.social8 This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      8472@norden.social
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                                      #18

                                      @someone_else @dan https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2025/i-wont-connect-my-dishwasher-your-stupid-cloud/

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                                      • grahamdowns@mastodon.africaG grahamdowns@mastodon.africa

                                        @someone_else @dan To be fair, being able to use my phone to start it or stop it or check if it's running, even when I'm out, is pretty useful.

                                        Maybe I had set it to start at 12:00, but my house runs through solar and I know the dishwasher uses a lot of power, and now at 11:50 I see it's suddenly gone super overcast and I check my inverter (which is also Internet-connected) and I see it's currently only getting in like 140W where I would've expected 2400W, so I want to abort the timer that starts the dishwasher (or if the dishwasher is CURRENTLY running, I want to stop it immediately). 🤷‍♂️

                                        silberwoelfin@chaos.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #19

                                        @GrahamDowns @someone_else @dan Be realistic. When are you actually micromanaging that stuff so precisely? I'd wager, never. Instead, you have an automation set up somewhere that does this automatically for you.
                                        There is no actual technical reason why that "somewhere" would have to be in the "cloud". It should be in your own home, on your own local network, under your control. And if you really do want to check in on anything from outside, use a VPN to connect to your home network.

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                                        • someone_else@infosec.exchangeS someone_else@infosec.exchange

                                          @dan
                                          - "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
                                          - "Why is on the internet?"
                                          - "To download software updates!"
                                          - "Why does it need software updates?"
                                          - "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
                                          - "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
                                          - "Because it's on the internet!"

                                          arrestjk@mastodon.nzA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #20

                                          @someone_else @dan So it can look at dishwasher porn

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