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  • R resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com

    Europe is a vassal state of the US, as we're seeing with Venezuela now.

    We even saw this with trade negotiations in 2025, where after Trump applied tariffs to the EU following the Big Bootycheeks Bill and the EU retaliated, that retaliation swiftly went away as Trump forced Europe to buy Americans' food, technology, cars, and energy, to invest in US businesses, to loosen the EU's policies towards good corporate governance and sustainable as it applies to US businesses doing trade in Europe, as well as an assortment of other actions.

    So while you might believe that a United Europe can stand up to the US and China, you forget how much the EU relies on both of them. Yes, including China, which the EU would be smart to build ties with as the becomes more and more the 4th Reich.

    If I want to purchase well made goods, I always look to Europe. The new watch band I got for Christmas came from a European maker (Watch-straps). The headphones I purchased last year came from Europe (Fairphone). The undershirts, underwear, and socks I bought last year all came from Europe (Dedicated).

    Europe has some of the best policies in the world for fair trade and good economic production, sans socialism in China.

    Just don't forget where the EU sits on the global stage. It's not on the same level as the US and China, two superpowers.

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    Saying Europe is a US vassal state is a bit much lol. Europe is one of the biggest economic powers in the world together with the US and China. They all export and import a lot of wares between each other and thus depend on each other. The tariff deal the EU got with the US wasn't that great and the leader of the European commission, Ursula von der Leyen, got some backlash because of that but I guess her tactic was to just appease Trump so they will have more time to transition away from the US in some areas. On the other hand that deal reduced some very annoying tariffs on steel and car parts, so it was partially successful.

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    • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca
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      doingthestuff@lemy.lol
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      #48

      The EU is on the verge of obsolescence. So is the US. We're all going to be China's bitches soon.

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      • S socialism_everyday@reddthat.com

        "Not supporting your nation's military apparatus is synonymous with helping the opposite empire"

        -Every state propaganda in WW1

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        wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
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        #49

        You'd have to be extremely ignorant to believe that opposing European defensive capabilities isn't simultaneously helping the russian agenda.

        And what of the French in WWI? They didn't get to choose peace, although I'm sure many of them would have preferred it. It wasn't an option for them when their neighbor invaded. How foolish would it be for a French person at that time to say "No, don't fund our military!"

        Assuming you're merely ignorant, and not actively spreading propaganda for the kremlin, people like you have the luxury of remaining so ignorant precisely because other folks sign up to maintain the defense forces and the industries that support it. If they went away, suddenly you would be having some serious problems which wouldn't afford you the luxury of pacifism; only by then you wouldn't have a fighting chance in hell to repel the adversary's invasion.

        So be grateful someone is out there deterring those conflicts, so that those conflicts don't come home to roost in your back yard.

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        • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca
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          fantasyocean@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          Yeah, you guys don't like big red imperialism or red white and blue imperialism. You just rather be complicit in both

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          • J justjack23@slrpnk.net

            Well, you kinda need military power

            First of all, no. The whole idea of globalization is that if you have economic entanglement the wars will not be profitable.

            Also there are other ways of keeping military strength without having very big military see Switzerland and all guerrilla groups successfully repelling much bigger opponents like the US.

            Also, don't accuse people of being [insert here ideology], it's just childish and not better than attacking them

            I mostly agree, but the meme created does represent this ideology and you can attack problematic ideologies.

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            skua@kbin.earth
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            #51

            military strength without having very big military see Switzerland

            Switzerland has mandatory military service. If you include reserves, it has a bigger military than Germany, Poland, or the UK. Not per capita, just straight up more people. If you only include active personnel it's still comparable per capita to most European countries

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              wltr@discuss.tchncs.de
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              That’s ironic, in a way, that there’s no Ukraine among those flags. Adding it would actually make the EU much stronger. A real life modern war experience (literally the most experienced country on the planet), plus the biggest country in Europe. With quite a large international community of emigrants (due to harsh historical circumstances). Plus experience filtering Russian propaganda, which is quite strong and influential (for those unaware).

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              • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.comK kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                Most eurolibs would happily allow European imperialism and justify it by arguing if they didn't do it someone else would

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                eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                #53

                "Look someone had to rape every single brown person and steal their stuff. So why not Europe? They swore they don't do that anymore."

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                • S socialism_everyday@reddthat.com

                  You are saying this on the day that the USA is illegally invading Venezuela and kidnapping their president. Where are European values? Where are the heavy condemnations of this?

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                  f04118f@feddit.nl
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                  #54

                  I only just caught up on that. Absolutely disgusting. I continue to be deeply disappointed in current European leadership.

                  Vote Volt!

                  https://piefed.social/c/europe/p/1618638/who-is-this-politician-more-pro-european-tech-voices-in-the-eu-assembly-thank-you

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                  • F f04118f@feddit.nl

                    I only just caught up on that. Absolutely disgusting. I continue to be deeply disappointed in current European leadership.

                    Vote Volt!

                    https://piefed.social/c/europe/p/1618638/who-is-this-politician-more-pro-european-tech-voices-in-the-eu-assembly-thank-you

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                    socialism_everyday@reddthat.com
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                    #55

                    How is Volt, a militaristic Eurocentrist party, going to do ANYTHING against US invasion of sovereign countries.

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                    • S socialism_everyday@reddthat.com

                      Where are the strong political condemnations from the EU or economic sanctions to the US for the invasion of a foreign country?

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                      redacted@infosec.pub
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                      #56

                      Are you seriously asking why EU sides with US instead of Maduro regime?

                      So far I see only Russia, Iran and China defending Maduro.

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                      • W wltr@discuss.tchncs.de

                        That’s ironic, in a way, that there’s no Ukraine among those flags. Adding it would actually make the EU much stronger. A real life modern war experience (literally the most experienced country on the planet), plus the biggest country in Europe. With quite a large international community of emigrants (due to harsh historical circumstances). Plus experience filtering Russian propaganda, which is quite strong and influential (for those unaware).

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                        scrollone@feddit.it
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                        #57

                        I agree that Ukraine would be a good addition to the EU (I hope that both the war and the EU join process will finish), but this meme is just about the EU not being a federation yet, so there's no reason to add the Ukrainian flag now.

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                        • R redacted@infosec.pub

                          Are you seriously asking why EU sides with US instead of Maduro regime?

                          So far I see only Russia, Iran and China defending Maduro.

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                          socialism_everyday@reddthat.com
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                          #58

                          Colombia and Brazil are defending Maduro.

                          And yes, I'm asking why Europe sides with the US in the glaringly illegal abduction of a foreign president

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                          • S socialism_everyday@reddthat.com

                            Colombia and Brazil are defending Maduro.

                            And yes, I'm asking why Europe sides with the US in the glaringly illegal abduction of a foreign president

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                            redacted@infosec.pub
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                            #59

                            People (note that I'm saying people, not whatever authoritarian figure you simp for) are celebrating this, from Brazil, to Colombia, and in Venezuela. Get a grip.

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                            • S scrollone@feddit.it

                              I agree that Ukraine would be a good addition to the EU (I hope that both the war and the EU join process will finish), but this meme is just about the EU not being a federation yet, so there's no reason to add the Ukrainian flag now.

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                              wltr@discuss.tchncs.de
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                              I’m not sure on the federation thing (I just don’t understand how it would work for the EU), but I’m 100% sure when Russia would become a set of independent states (and not a federation it pretends it is), global terrorism would just go incredibly less, within one day, literally. They contribute to global chaos quite a lot. Especially backed by PRC and the US (administration) being a Russian puppet.

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                              • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca
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                                @Sunshine it always drives me mad that people cheer the individual, the strong standing alone & free, but nobody pays attention to who is pushing this narrative, the fact is every billionaire, millionaire and huge corporate behemoth is only able to drive their will & want through shear collective power, due to their size & influence. I wonder how long it will take for this penny to drop & how much we will have left to fight for by the time it finally does...

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                                • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca
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                                  menas@lemmy.wtf
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                                  Yep, get stronger to face threat, that how imperialism work
                                  Fuck those states, everyone of them

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                                  • R redacted@infosec.pub

                                    People (note that I'm saying people, not whatever authoritarian figure you simp for) are celebrating this, from Brazil, to Colombia, and in Venezuela. Get a grip.

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                                    socialism_everyday@reddthat.com
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                                    Hahahaha Lula da Silva and Gustavo Petro, the democratically elected prime ministers of both countries, are authoritarian figures. Average European lmfao

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                                    • W wltr@discuss.tchncs.de

                                      I’m not sure on the federation thing (I just don’t understand how it would work for the EU), but I’m 100% sure when Russia would become a set of independent states (and not a federation it pretends it is), global terrorism would just go incredibly less, within one day, literally. They contribute to global chaos quite a lot. Especially backed by PRC and the US (administration) being a Russian puppet.

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                                      alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
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                                      So when the US trained and armed terrorists all over the world under every previous administration, was it still due to orders to the Kremlin? Or did the Kremlin order the Trump administration to do the thing we've been doing for a century?

                                      Putin: Agent Trump, we need you to genocide Muslims, overthrow governments in South America, prepare for war with communists, and oppress brown people back home.

                                      Trump: Don't tell me how to do my fucking job.

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                                      • S socialism_everyday@reddthat.com

                                        Hahahaha Lula da Silva and Gustavo Petro, the democratically elected prime ministers of both countries, are authoritarian figures. Average European lmfao

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                                        Then maybe obviously I meant it as "authority", not "dictatorship"? What people want versus what the higher ups want. Police is also authority. That word has multiple definitions my dude. Context matters.

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                                        • W wltr@discuss.tchncs.de

                                          That’s ironic, in a way, that there’s no Ukraine among those flags. Adding it would actually make the EU much stronger. A real life modern war experience (literally the most experienced country on the planet), plus the biggest country in Europe. With quite a large international community of emigrants (due to harsh historical circumstances). Plus experience filtering Russian propaganda, which is quite strong and influential (for those unaware).

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                                          foo@feddit.uk
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                                          Putin also knows how strong Europe would be with Ukraine, which is likely why he is so hell bent on destabilising the bloc and taking Ukraine for himself. The sad part is it seems to be working for him. Even if he doesn't get Ukraine the way he hoped, the campaign to destabilise the bloc is worrying.

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