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  • alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.comA alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com

    Yeahhhh, no...

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    kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    #28

    Most eurolibs would happily allow European imperialism and justify it by arguing if they didn't do it someone else would

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    • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca
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      aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      #29

      Most people in the smaller EU countries are very keenly aware that without the power of the group to face the World's large countries they would be nothing more than footballs for the big powers, same as before the EU.

      It's not by chance that the only country to ever leave was big-sized (in Europe terms, but mid-sized in World terms) one with nationalistic delusions of grandeur leftover from the time when they headed an Empire.

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      • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca
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        #30

        *shrugs in non-English*

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        • W wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz

          How much is your socialism gonna help anybody when a fascist state overthrows you because you don't have a military?

          Funding a defense force isn't inherently right-wing militarism; it's a practical necessity in the world we live in. Its primary function is as a deterrent to potential invaders, it only goes into kinetic operations when its function as a deterrent fails. All the more reason to maintain a strong military.

          Peace is more likely when your adversaries know they won't stand a chance against you.

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          socialism_everyday@reddthat.com
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          #31

          Lemmy "leftists": THE USSR HAVING A STANDING ARMY AND USING IT AGAINST NAZIS IS IMPERIALISM

          Also Lemmy "leftists": WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN THE GLORIOUS EUROPEAN FREEDOM 🦅🦅🦅🦅 GIVING MONEY TO LITERAL NAZI TANK MANUFACTURER RHEINMETALL

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          • S stoy@lemmy.zip

            Only out of necessity, Russia has shown that they are done playing the diplomatic game (though they have been playing it quite badly), the US has fully shat it's pants and is rolling around in it and China has the carving knife ready for when Russia colapses, if Europe is to survive we need to federalize.

            At an absolute minimum, we need to build a unified military under one leadership throughout the EU, military personal from the south must be expected to defend Europe in the north, and vice versa.

            I don't see this as being right-wing, I see it as it being a reality we need to face.

            I'll even share a detail about my general political views, out of all ideologies, I strongly believe that Social Democracy is the best, as it combined a strong government with a regulated free market.

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            socialism_everyday@reddthat.com
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            #32

            I'll even share a detail about my general political views, out of all ideologies, I strongly believe that Social Democracy is the best

            Have you lived in Europe for the past 20 years? European "Social" "Democracy" has led only to the destruction of welfare state, worker rights, increasing of retirement age, and collapse of salaries, and whoever tries to deviate from that by being further left (Syriza, Podemos, LFI) gets couped out of power, whereas far right governments rule without issues in half of the continent

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            • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca
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              socialism_everyday@reddthat.com
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              #33

              Oh, EU separate from the US! So you support a dissolution of NATO? Or do you just want a US-aligned puppet Europe?

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              • S socialism_everyday@reddthat.com

                Lemmy "leftists": THE USSR HAVING A STANDING ARMY AND USING IT AGAINST NAZIS IS IMPERIALISM

                Also Lemmy "leftists": WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN THE GLORIOUS EUROPEAN FREEDOM 🦅🦅🦅🦅 GIVING MONEY TO LITERAL NAZI TANK MANUFACTURER RHEINMETALL

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                wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
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                #34

                What are you on about?

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                • W wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz

                  What are you on about?

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                  socialism_everyday@reddthat.com
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                  #35

                  "We need to throw cash bricks at rheinmetall. Yes, I'm a leftist"

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                  • S socialism_everyday@reddthat.com

                    Oh, EU separate from the US! So you support a dissolution of NATO? Or do you just want a US-aligned puppet Europe?

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                    f04118f@feddit.nl
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                    #36

                    I want a Europe that is strong and stands for European values.

                    If the USA also follows those values we work together.

                    If they don't, we can do it without them.

                    But only if we in Europe are united!

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                    • F f04118f@feddit.nl

                      I want a Europe that is strong and stands for European values.

                      If the USA also follows those values we work together.

                      If they don't, we can do it without them.

                      But only if we in Europe are united!

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                      socialism_everyday@reddthat.com
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                      #37

                      You are saying this on the day that the USA is illegally invading Venezuela and kidnapping their president. Where are European values? Where are the heavy condemnations of this?

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                      • S socialism_everyday@reddthat.com

                        Oh, EU separate from the US! So you support a dissolution of NATO? Or do you just want a US-aligned puppet Europe?

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                        redacted@infosec.pub
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                        #38

                        Are you confusing military alliance with unions? Isn't US essentially a union?

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                        • R redacted@infosec.pub

                          Are you confusing military alliance with unions? Isn't US essentially a union?

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                          socialism_everyday@reddthat.com
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                          #39

                          Where are the strong political condemnations from the EU or economic sanctions to the US for the invasion of a foreign country?

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                          • S socialism_everyday@reddthat.com

                            "We need to throw cash bricks at rheinmetall. Yes, I'm a leftist"

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                            wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
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                            If you're trying to draw a comparison between modern Europe (or even modern Germany) and Nazi Germany, don't. You're only revealing your ignorance. Or you know it's inaccurate and you're doing it anyway in bad faith.

                            Unless you would have every European nation surrender to russian imperialism, which you seem to be trying to excuse in your previous comment. If that's the case, then go away.

                            Putin is a fascist. The Soviet Union died over 30 years ago. Supporting modern russia doesn't make you edgy or a leftist, it makes you either an idiot or a troll.

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                            • W wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz

                              If you're trying to draw a comparison between modern Europe (or even modern Germany) and Nazi Germany, don't. You're only revealing your ignorance. Or you know it's inaccurate and you're doing it anyway in bad faith.

                              Unless you would have every European nation surrender to russian imperialism, which you seem to be trying to excuse in your previous comment. If that's the case, then go away.

                              Putin is a fascist. The Soviet Union died over 30 years ago. Supporting modern russia doesn't make you edgy or a leftist, it makes you either an idiot or a troll.

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                              socialism_everyday@reddthat.com
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                              #41

                              "Not supporting your nation's military apparatus is synonymous with helping the opposite empire"

                              -Every state propaganda in WW1

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                              • S socialism_everyday@reddthat.com

                                I'll even share a detail about my general political views, out of all ideologies, I strongly believe that Social Democracy is the best

                                Have you lived in Europe for the past 20 years? European "Social" "Democracy" has led only to the destruction of welfare state, worker rights, increasing of retirement age, and collapse of salaries, and whoever tries to deviate from that by being further left (Syriza, Podemos, LFI) gets couped out of power, whereas far right governments rule without issues in half of the continent

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                                stoy@lemmy.zip
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                                #42

                                I am living in Sweden, I have done so for the last 38 year after being born.

                                I have witnessed the all of that.

                                I stand by what I said, including the part of regulated free markets which you didn't bring up.

                                I absolutely disagree with how Socialdemokraterna moved away from the ideology of Social democracy.

                                However, this does not change my views of the ideology, only the politicians who has failed it.

                                Social democracy requires strong leaders who can withstand trends pulling in either direction.

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                                • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca
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                                  primeministerkeyes@leminal.space
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                                  Nice picture. Thank you, Sunshine.
                                  To further drive the point home, it could have the US and China kicking around and crushing the little countries in the top half.

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                                  • S stoy@lemmy.zip

                                    I am living in Sweden, I have done so for the last 38 year after being born.

                                    I have witnessed the all of that.

                                    I stand by what I said, including the part of regulated free markets which you didn't bring up.

                                    I absolutely disagree with how Socialdemokraterna moved away from the ideology of Social democracy.

                                    However, this does not change my views of the ideology, only the politicians who has failed it.

                                    Social democracy requires strong leaders who can withstand trends pulling in either direction.

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                                    socialism_everyday@reddthat.com
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                                    #44

                                    "I've seen with my own eyes social democracy failing simultaneously everywhere in Europe and ruined millions of lives. However, I still support it".

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                                    • S socialism_everyday@reddthat.com

                                      "I've seen with my own eyes social democracy failing simultaneously everywhere in Europe and ruined millions of lives. However, I still support it".

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                                      stoy@lemmy.zip
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                                      No, I have not seen social democracy failing, I have seen politicians failing to uphold social democracy.

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                                      • S stoy@lemmy.zip

                                        No, I have not seen social democracy failing, I have seen politicians failing to uphold social democracy.

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                                        socialism_everyday@reddthat.com
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                                        #46

                                        Politicians in every European country's socialdemocrat party have failed social democracy, seems to me like there's something in common, maybe the system fucking sucks? And when a new leftist party rises to fight against that, it gets destroyed institutionally, either through removal of government agency by EU (Syriza in Greece), by refusal to place them in government despite majority (LFI in France), or outright fabrications of false funding from Venezuela by the police apparatus (Podemos in Spain)

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                                        • R resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                          Europe is a vassal state of the US, as we're seeing with Venezuela now.

                                          We even saw this with trade negotiations in 2025, where after Trump applied tariffs to the EU following the Big Bootycheeks Bill and the EU retaliated, that retaliation swiftly went away as Trump forced Europe to buy Americans' food, technology, cars, and energy, to invest in US businesses, to loosen the EU's policies towards good corporate governance and sustainable as it applies to US businesses doing trade in Europe, as well as an assortment of other actions.

                                          So while you might believe that a United Europe can stand up to the US and China, you forget how much the EU relies on both of them. Yes, including China, which the EU would be smart to build ties with as the becomes more and more the 4th Reich.

                                          If I want to purchase well made goods, I always look to Europe. The new watch band I got for Christmas came from a European maker (Watch-straps). The headphones I purchased last year came from Europe (Fairphone). The undershirts, underwear, and socks I bought last year all came from Europe (Dedicated).

                                          Europe has some of the best policies in the world for fair trade and good economic production, sans socialism in China.

                                          Just don't forget where the EU sits on the global stage. It's not on the same level as the US and China, two superpowers.

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                                          Saying Europe is a US vassal state is a bit much lol. Europe is one of the biggest economic powers in the world together with the US and China. They all export and import a lot of wares between each other and thus depend on each other. The tariff deal the EU got with the US wasn't that great and the leader of the European commission, Ursula von der Leyen, got some backlash because of that but I guess her tactic was to just appease Trump so they will have more time to transition away from the US in some areas. On the other hand that deal reduced some very annoying tariffs on steel and car parts, so it was partially successful.

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