We Need to Stick Together!
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Well, you kinda need military power
First of all, no. The whole idea of globalization is that if you have economic entanglement the wars will not be profitable.
Also there are other ways of keeping military strength without having very big military see Switzerland and all guerrilla groups successfully repelling much bigger opponents like the US.
Also, don't accuse people of being [insert here ideology], it's just childish and not better than attacking them
I mostly agree, but the meme created does represent this ideology and you can attack problematic ideologies.
@JustJack23@slrpnk.net wrote:
Also there are other ways of keeping military strength without having very big military
You're right! Europe can just defend itself with thougts and prayers. Why didn't all the bureaucrats from Brussels think about this? Omg, you're a genius!
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I had a look at some stats regarding how EU citizens perceive the EU. I found this recent EU survey which interestingly shows that EU citizens trust the EU more than they trust their national governments:
Also that link says that "74% say that, taking everything into account, their country has benefited from being a member of the EU". So perhaps the EU will survive and strengthen, despite its critics like those in the Trump administration.
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Where is France?
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Where is France?
It’s there.
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You are colony of USA, your leaders have no spine, your govt is run by zionists. You are basically fucked as you lost all your colonies in africa.
Europe is fuck fucked
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It’s there.
That's disappointing
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Sorry if someone being unapologetically socialist is too much for you
How much is your socialism gonna help anybody when a fascist state overthrows you because you don't have a military?
Funding a defense force isn't inherently right-wing militarism; it's a practical necessity in the world we live in. Its primary function is as a deterrent to potential invaders, it only goes into kinetic operations when its function as a deterrent fails. All the more reason to maintain a strong military.
Peace is more likely when your adversaries know they won't stand a chance against you.
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The EU is still an oppressive imperialist power stop glamorizing it.
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Why not smash those two empires instead?
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You are colony of USA, your leaders have no spine, your govt is run by zionists. You are basically fucked as you lost all your colonies in africa.
Europe is fuck fucked
Everywhere is currently fucked but hopefully not unavoidably.
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Everywhere is currently fucked but hopefully not unavoidably.
Earth should explode atp. Its over
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Europe is a vassal state of the US, as we're seeing with Venezuela now.
We even saw this with trade negotiations in 2025, where after Trump applied tariffs to the EU following the Big Bootycheeks Bill and the EU retaliated, that retaliation swiftly went away as Trump forced Europe to buy Americans' food, technology, cars, and energy, to invest in US businesses, to loosen the EU's policies towards good corporate governance and sustainable as it applies to US businesses doing trade in Europe, as well as an assortment of other actions.
So while you might believe that a United Europe can stand up to the US and China, you forget how much the EU relies on both of them. Yes, including China, which the EU would be smart to build ties with as the becomes more and more the 4th Reich.
If I want to purchase well made goods, I always look to Europe. The new watch band I got for Christmas came from a European maker (Watch-straps). The headphones I purchased last year came from Europe (Fairphone). The undershirts, underwear, and socks I bought last year all came from Europe (Dedicated).
Europe has some of the best policies in the world for fair trade and good economic production, sans socialism in China.
Just don't forget where the EU sits on the global stage. It's not on the same level as the US and China, two superpowers.
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China's wet dream or what?
At this point, I'm so miserable, that I agree, and accept our new Chinese overlords. We lost the fight for humanity long ago, I at least want to live a bit.
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Yeahhhh, no...
Most eurolibs would happily allow European imperialism and justify it by arguing if they didn't do it someone else would
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Most people in the smaller EU countries are very keenly aware that without the power of the group to face the World's large countries they would be nothing more than footballs for the big powers, same as before the EU.
It's not by chance that the only country to ever leave was big-sized (in Europe terms, but mid-sized in World terms) one with nationalistic delusions of grandeur leftover from the time when they headed an Empire.
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*shrugs in non-English*
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How much is your socialism gonna help anybody when a fascist state overthrows you because you don't have a military?
Funding a defense force isn't inherently right-wing militarism; it's a practical necessity in the world we live in. Its primary function is as a deterrent to potential invaders, it only goes into kinetic operations when its function as a deterrent fails. All the more reason to maintain a strong military.
Peace is more likely when your adversaries know they won't stand a chance against you.
Lemmy "leftists": THE USSR HAVING A STANDING ARMY AND USING IT AGAINST NAZIS IS IMPERIALISM
Also Lemmy "leftists": WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN THE GLORIOUS EUROPEAN FREEDOM
GIVING MONEY TO LITERAL NAZI TANK MANUFACTURER RHEINMETALL -
Only out of necessity, Russia has shown that they are done playing the diplomatic game (though they have been playing it quite badly), the US has fully shat it's pants and is rolling around in it and China has the carving knife ready for when Russia colapses, if Europe is to survive we need to federalize.
At an absolute minimum, we need to build a unified military under one leadership throughout the EU, military personal from the south must be expected to defend Europe in the north, and vice versa.
I don't see this as being right-wing, I see it as it being a reality we need to face.
I'll even share a detail about my general political views, out of all ideologies, I strongly believe that Social Democracy is the best, as it combined a strong government with a regulated free market.
I'll even share a detail about my general political views, out of all ideologies, I strongly believe that Social Democracy is the best
Have you lived in Europe for the past 20 years? European "Social" "Democracy" has led only to the destruction of welfare state, worker rights, increasing of retirement age, and collapse of salaries, and whoever tries to deviate from that by being further left (Syriza, Podemos, LFI) gets couped out of power, whereas far right governments rule without issues in half of the continent
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Oh, EU separate from the US! So you support a dissolution of NATO? Or do you just want a US-aligned puppet Europe?
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Lemmy "leftists": THE USSR HAVING A STANDING ARMY AND USING IT AGAINST NAZIS IS IMPERIALISM
Also Lemmy "leftists": WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN THE GLORIOUS EUROPEAN FREEDOM
GIVING MONEY TO LITERAL NAZI TANK MANUFACTURER RHEINMETALLWhat are you on about?
