Hypocrites.
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@nighthawk Properly a little less, at least from the software industry, but I think authors and artists would give the same backlash.
Just to be clear: my post isn't meant as backlash, per se. I use AI tools frequently. I just don't want Anthropic etc. to cry about someone stealing from them when that's their entire business.
@simonbs @nighthawk It's somewhat comical. Part of why they are worked up about it likely that they assess distillation will be easier to defend legally than direct rights-violating use of training data. The reality is there are many strong technical teams in China and elsewhere, and their technical progress threatens the margins of Anthropic etc.
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@simonbs "BUT WE STOLE IT FIRST" is an interesting legal strategy.
@grumble209 @simonbs
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
And so the snake starts eating itself... the #Ouroboros!
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@imyke Haha, fair point! I was curious enough about their stance to log into Twitter and read their own replies.
They acknowledge the utility of “distillation" but point out that foreign labs should not distill American models.
I mean, I'm pretty sure Anthropic's models aren't trained on American data only
@simonbs @imyke I really liked Theo’s take on this: https://youtu.be/_k22WAEAfpE?si=jkqm4coKKADx9JR0
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
@simonbs Someone is stealing from the thieves? Oh no.
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
@simonbs No, you don't understand. Anthropic is a WESTERN company so by definition anything they do is good! It's when predominantly non-white people do it that it's bad!
Get with the program!
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
This was the inevitable conclusion of this cycle - AI eating itself.
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
@simonbs isn't the standard phrase "thoughts and prayers"?
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
@simonbs but they point to a.great problem. Alibaba uses its endpoint to simulate millions of users to scrape the internet. Especially open source and free software in a barbarian way, Vandals to be precise, externalizing their cost of their assaults to the people of the internet. And I welcome the unethical to tell us who is even worse and the moralless. Please continue calling one the other out.
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
@simonbs i mean it's even worse, scraping usually involves extracting data for free. Claude on the other hand is not a free service.
They got paid and still crying about it. -
Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
Anthropic Assholes
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you.
But But
But anyone from trumpistan is a good thief, spy. pedo, rapist self enriching moronic klan thug et al. -
Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
@simonbs Is that the sound of the world's tiniest violin I hear?
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
@simonbs
1. *tardigrade-smallest-violin.gif*2. We already know, and have studied and demonstrated, how training one model off the output of another, doesn't work. This is a big sad boo-hoo over nothing at all.
3. Their entire industry is founded on stealing all IP ever, from everywhere. Suck it.
4. *loughborough-university-smallest-violin.gif*
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
I can't seem to find my tiny violin.
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
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@simonbs So much use for this meme pic lately.
Oh, I'm so stealing that.
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Hypocrites.
You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.
@simonbs This is doubly ironic considering they at least got paid when their competitors accessed their content.
