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  • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

    Hypocrites.

    You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

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    #28

    @simonbs

    And so the snake starts eating itself... the #Ouroboros!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros

    #AI #LLM #SnakeOil #SyntheticData

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    • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

      @imyke Haha, fair point! I was curious enough about their stance to log into Twitter and read their own replies.

      They acknowledge the utility of “distillation" but point out that foreign labs should not distill American models.

      I mean, I'm pretty sure Anthropic's models aren't trained on American data only 🙃

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      #29

      @simonbs @imyke I really liked Theo’s take on this: https://youtu.be/_k22WAEAfpE?si=jkqm4coKKADx9JR0

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      • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

        Hypocrites.

        You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

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        #30

        @simonbs

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        • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

          Hypocrites.

          You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

          elricofmelnibone@mastodon.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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          #31

          @simonbs Someone is stealing from the thieves? Oh no.

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          • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

            Hypocrites.

            You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

            zdl@mstdn.socialZ This user is from outside of this forum
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            #32

            @simonbs No, you don't understand. Anthropic is a WESTERN company so by definition anything they do is good! It's when predominantly non-white people do it that it's bad!

            Get with the program!

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            • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

              Hypocrites.

              You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

              gracelesshippo@mastodon.ieG This user is from outside of this forum
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              #33

              @simonbs

              This was the inevitable conclusion of this cycle - AI eating itself.

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              • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

                Hypocrites.

                You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

                offbeatmammal@mastodon.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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                #34

                @simonbs isn't the standard phrase "thoughts and prayers"?

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                • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

                  Hypocrites.

                  You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

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                  #35

                  @simonbs

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                  • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

                    Hypocrites.

                    You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

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                    #36

                    @simonbs@mastodon.social #oc

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                    • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

                      Hypocrites.

                      You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

                      splinux@mastodon.unoS This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #37

                      @simonbs but they point to a.great problem. Alibaba uses its endpoint to simulate millions of users to scrape the internet. Especially open source and free software in a barbarian way, Vandals to be precise, externalizing their cost of their assaults to the people of the internet. And I welcome the unethical to tell us who is even worse and the moralless. Please continue calling one the other out.

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                      • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

                        Hypocrites.

                        You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

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                        #38

                        @simonbs i mean it's even worse, scraping usually involves extracting data for free. Claude on the other hand is not a free service.
                        They got paid and still crying about it.

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                        • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

                          Hypocrites.

                          You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

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                          #39

                          @simonbs

                          Anthropic Assholes

                          You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you.

                          But But
                          But anyone from trumpistan is a good thief, spy. pedo, rapist self enriching moronic klan thug et al.

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                          • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

                            Hypocrites.

                            You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

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                            #40

                            @simonbs Is that the sound of the world's tiniest violin I hear?

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                            • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

                              Hypocrites.

                              You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

                              silvermoon82@wandering.shopS This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #41

                              @simonbs
                              1. *tardigrade-smallest-violin.gif*

                              2. We already know, and have studied and demonstrated, how training one model off the output of another, doesn't work. This is a big sad boo-hoo over nothing at all.

                              3. Their entire industry is founded on stealing all IP ever, from everywhere. Suck it.

                              4. *loughborough-university-smallest-violin.gif*

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                              • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

                                Hypocrites.

                                You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

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                                #42

                                @simonbs

                                I can't seem to find my tiny violin.

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                                • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

                                  Hypocrites.

                                  You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

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                                  #43

                                  @simonbs

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                                  • jukkan@mstdn.socialJ jukkan@mstdn.social

                                    @simonbs So much use for this meme pic lately.

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                                    #44

                                    @jukkan

                                    Oh, I'm so stealing that. 😆

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                                    • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

                                      Hypocrites.

                                      You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

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                                      #45

                                      @simonbs This is doubly ironic considering they at least got paid when their competitors accessed their content.

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                                      • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

                                        Hypocrites.

                                        You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

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                                        #46

                                        @simonbs I hope someone gave them this reply in their original post...

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                                        • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

                                          Hypocrites.

                                          You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

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                                          #47

                                          @simonbs This is just corporate BS. Publicly announcing this in case at some point in the future there’s some whackadoo law that says you can copyright AI training or some nonsense.

                                          It’s as dumb as most patents or “you have to defend your trademark to keep it” - all just there to prop up the corporate lawyers.

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