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  • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

    Hypocrites.

    You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

    megatronicthronbanks@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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    #17

    @simonbs OMG the poetry!

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    • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

      Hypocrites.

      You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

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      #18

      @simonbs they don’t say anything one way or another. Maybe they are proud of them 😂

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      • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

        Hypocrites.

        You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

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        #19

        @simonbs Will someone please think of the billionaires 😭

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        • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

          Hypocrites.

          You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

          skjeggtroll@mastodon.onlineS This user is from outside of this forum
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          #20

          @simonbs

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RES4flSRlM&t=5s

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          • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

            Hypocrites.

            You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

            shaknais@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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            #21

            @simonbs

            They didn't just scrape what was public. They knowingly mass-pirated almost everything they could get their hands on.

            So... They'd be fine with people "pirating" their super-secret information, right?

            https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/08/ai-industry-horrified-to-face-largest-copyright-class-action-ever-certified/

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            • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

              Hypocrites.

              You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

              dazzr@social.tchncs.deD This user is from outside of this forum
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              #22

              @simonbs You greedy little bastards! Stop whining and get a life!

              This whole GenAI LLM industry is built on stolen work and stolen creativity, This is organised crime, and you are the mobsters.

              Now your scum colleagues scrape your models, and you feel betrayed? You're thieves like them, and all of your bunch can rot in hell!

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              • imyke@myke.socialI imyke@myke.social

                @simonbs they don’t say anything one way or another. Maybe they are proud of them 😂

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                #23

                @imyke Haha, fair point! I was curious enough about their stance to log into Twitter and read their own replies.

                They acknowledge the utility of “distillation" but point out that foreign labs should not distill American models.

                I mean, I'm pretty sure Anthropic's models aren't trained on American data only 🙃

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                • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

                  Hypocrites.

                  You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

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                  #24

                  @simonbs I bet my left nut that Anthropic, OpenAI, etc. are doing the same with all their competitors as well.

                  I hope it causes model collapse.

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                  • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

                    Hypocrites.

                    You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

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                    #25

                    @simonbs So much use for this meme pic lately.

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                    • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

                      @nighthawk Properly a little less, at least from the software industry, but I think authors and artists would give the same backlash.

                      Just to be clear: my post isn't meant as backlash, per se. I use AI tools frequently. I just don't want Anthropic etc. to cry about someone stealing from them when that's their entire business.

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                      #26

                      @simonbs @nighthawk It's somewhat comical. Part of why they are worked up about it likely that they assess distillation will be easier to defend legally than direct rights-violating use of training data. The reality is there are many strong technical teams in China and elsewhere, and their technical progress threatens the margins of Anthropic etc.

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                      • grumble209@kolektiva.socialG grumble209@kolektiva.social

                        @simonbs "BUT WE STOLE IT FIRST" is an interesting legal strategy.

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                        #27

                        @grumble209 @simonbs
                        tbf. There are entire nations founded on this principle.

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                        • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

                          Hypocrites.

                          You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

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                          #28

                          @simonbs

                          And so the snake starts eating itself... the #Ouroboros!

                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros

                          #AI #LLM #SnakeOil #SyntheticData

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                          • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

                            @imyke Haha, fair point! I was curious enough about their stance to log into Twitter and read their own replies.

                            They acknowledge the utility of “distillation" but point out that foreign labs should not distill American models.

                            I mean, I'm pretty sure Anthropic's models aren't trained on American data only 🙃

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                            #29

                            @simonbs @imyke I really liked Theo’s take on this: https://youtu.be/_k22WAEAfpE?si=jkqm4coKKADx9JR0

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                            • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

                              Hypocrites.

                              You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

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                              #30

                              @simonbs

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                              • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

                                Hypocrites.

                                You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

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                                #31

                                @simonbs Someone is stealing from the thieves? Oh no.

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                                • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

                                  Hypocrites.

                                  You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

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                                  #32

                                  @simonbs No, you don't understand. Anthropic is a WESTERN company so by definition anything they do is good! It's when predominantly non-white people do it that it's bad!

                                  Get with the program!

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                                  • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

                                    Hypocrites.

                                    You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

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                                    #33

                                    @simonbs

                                    This was the inevitable conclusion of this cycle - AI eating itself.

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                                    • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

                                      Hypocrites.

                                      You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

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                                      #34

                                      @simonbs isn't the standard phrase "thoughts and prayers"?

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                                      • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

                                        Hypocrites.

                                        You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

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                                        #35

                                        @simonbs

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                                        • simonbs@mastodon.socialS simonbs@mastodon.social

                                          Hypocrites.

                                          You built an industry on scraping the internet and now you’re shocked someone scraped you. You normalized the idea that anything publicly accessible is fair game for training. That’s the precedent you set. I don’t want to hear you bitch about it now.

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                                          #36

                                          @simonbs@mastodon.social #oc

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