Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other.
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@edwiebe "Golding got the idea for the plot from The Coral Island, a children's adventure novel with a focus on Christianity and the supposed civilising influence of British colonialism. Golding thought that the book was unrealistic and asked his wife whether it would be a good idea if he "wrote a book about children on an island, children who behave in the way children really would behave?" "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies#Background@j_bertolotti I stand corrected.
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Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).
Most people are good people. Even teenagers
@j_bertolotti yeah I read about this a few years back but the thing is, these weren't privileged English school kids
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@j_bertolotti yeah I read about this a few years back but the thing is, these weren't privileged English school kids
Lol, exactly what I came here to say
Most people don't go to abusive mid-20th-century boarding schools
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Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).
Most people are good people. Even teenagers
@j_bertolotti there's a new lotf series
I'm not interested, cuz it feels like authoritarian propaganda
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Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).
Most people are good people. Even teenagers
@j_bertolotti Might say more about Tongan society than anything else.
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Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).
Most people are good people. Even teenagers
@j_bertolotti c.f. Humankind (2019) by Rutger Bregman, and The Dawn of Everything (2021) by David Graeber & David Wengrow for more of this
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Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).
Most people are good people. Even teenagers
@j_bertolotti They weren't British, which, if memory serves, was one of the major actual points of lord of the flies, funnily enough :^)
in all seriousness this is a great post that I needed, thanks.
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Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).
Most people are good people. Even teenagers
So why is everyone so mad at me for wearing a mask to stop spreading disease?
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Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).
Most people are good people. Even teenagers
@j_bertolotti @timrichards I like to think because they were Tongan and not snotty face English school boys
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Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).
Most people are good people. Even teenagers
@j_bertolotti I thought the takeaway was that Lord of the Files would only happen if it was spoiled male brats from some elite boarding school, anyway?
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Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).
Most people are good people. Even teenagers
@j_bertolotti stories concern themselves with outliers not statistically unremarkable events.
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Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).
Most people are good people. Even teenagers
@j_bertolotti
It could be pointed out that those boys were not white and were not subjected to the English school system. -
Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).
Most people are good people. Even teenagers
@j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyz i knew there was a reason i never liked that book!
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Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).
Most people are good people. Even teenagers
as described in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humankind:_A_Hopeful_History as well
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Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).
Most people are good people. Even teenagers
@j_bertolotti The difference is that Lord of Flies is about private (or as the English call it 'public') school boys.
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Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).
Most people are good people. Even teenagers
@j_bertolotti
According to "Lord of the Flies," in the absence of authority, a society will go to pieces.The authorities loved it.
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Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).
Most people are good people. Even teenagers
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Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).
Most people are good people. Even teenagers
@j_bertolotti I'm sorry to see so many "um, actually"s.
Beyond your example, disasters show people forming communities with strangers. Not only for mutual benefit, but to help the helpless.
Recent times have injured my belief that "most people are basically good". Is "most" closer to 51% than 99%? Does a lazy good count as good?
Hollywood tales of humans EAGER to turn on each other run deep. I keep doubting the actual history vs my expectations. But the history is real. Thx for the reminder.
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Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).
Most people are good people. Even teenagers
@j_bertolotti
Fairly sure Lord of the flies was written AFTER a book which had stranded boys forming a society that worked....and was a reaction to that book saying na this is what would really happen, can't remember that book nameedit: First, William Golding wrote Lord of the Flies because he just didn’t buy the varnished version of events contained in an 1857 adventure novel, The Coral Island: A Tale of the Pacific Ocean (RM Ballentyne)
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Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).
Most people are good people. Even teenagers
@j_bertolotti As much as I hate that book, I now almost feel sorry for the author - as I assume he based the characters’ behaviour on his own experiences at school.
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