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Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other.

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  • j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyzJ j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyz

    Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).

    Most people are good people. Even teenagers 😉

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongan_castaways

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    #2

    @j_bertolotti I always thought Verne's Two years' vacation hugely superior to the Lord of the Flies

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    • j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyzJ j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyz

      Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).

      Most people are good people. Even teenagers 😉

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongan_castaways

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      #3

      @j_bertolotti The book is allegorical.

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      • edwiebe@mstdn.caE edwiebe@mstdn.ca

        @j_bertolotti The book is allegorical.

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        @edwiebe "Golding got the idea for the plot from The Coral Island, a children's adventure novel with a focus on Christianity and the supposed civilising influence of British colonialism. Golding thought that the book was unrealistic and asked his wife whether it would be a good idea if he "wrote a book about children on an island, children who behave in the way children really would behave?" "
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies#Background

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        • j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyzJ j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyz

          @edwiebe "Golding got the idea for the plot from The Coral Island, a children's adventure novel with a focus on Christianity and the supposed civilising influence of British colonialism. Golding thought that the book was unrealistic and asked his wife whether it would be a good idea if he "wrote a book about children on an island, children who behave in the way children really would behave?" "
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies#Background

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          #5

          @j_bertolotti I stand corrected.

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          • j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyzJ j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyz

            Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).

            Most people are good people. Even teenagers 😉

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongan_castaways

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            #6

            @j_bertolotti yeah I read about this a few years back but the thing is, these weren't privileged English school kids

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            • erikcats@dice.campE erikcats@dice.camp

              @j_bertolotti yeah I read about this a few years back but the thing is, these weren't privileged English school kids

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              #7

              @erikcats @j_bertolotti

              Lol, exactly what I came here to say

              Most people don't go to abusive mid-20th-century boarding schools

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              • j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyzJ j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyz

                Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).

                Most people are good people. Even teenagers 😉

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongan_castaways

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                #8

                @j_bertolotti there's a new lotf series

                I'm not interested, cuz it feels like authoritarian propaganda

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                • j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyzJ j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyz

                  Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).

                  Most people are good people. Even teenagers 😉

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongan_castaways

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                  #9

                  @j_bertolotti Might say more about Tongan society than anything else.

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                  • j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyzJ j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyz

                    Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).

                    Most people are good people. Even teenagers 😉

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongan_castaways

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                    #10

                    @j_bertolotti c.f. Humankind (2019) by Rutger Bregman, and The Dawn of Everything (2021) by David Graeber & David Wengrow for more of this 🙂

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                    • j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyzJ j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyz

                      Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).

                      Most people are good people. Even teenagers 😉

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongan_castaways

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                      #11

                      @j_bertolotti They weren't British, which, if memory serves, was one of the major actual points of lord of the flies, funnily enough :^)

                      in all seriousness this is a great post that I needed, thanks.

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                      • j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyzJ j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyz

                        Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).

                        Most people are good people. Even teenagers 😉

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongan_castaways

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                        #12

                        @j_bertolotti

                        So why is everyone so mad at me for wearing a mask to stop spreading disease?

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                        • j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyzJ j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyz

                          Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).

                          Most people are good people. Even teenagers 😉

                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongan_castaways

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                          @j_bertolotti @timrichards I like to think because they were Tongan and not snotty face English school boys

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                          • j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyzJ j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyz

                            Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).

                            Most people are good people. Even teenagers 😉

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongan_castaways

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                            #14

                            @j_bertolotti I thought the takeaway was that Lord of the Files would only happen if it was spoiled male brats from some elite boarding school, anyway?

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                            • j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyzJ j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyz

                              Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).

                              Most people are good people. Even teenagers 😉

                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongan_castaways

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                              #15

                              @j_bertolotti stories concern themselves with outliers not statistically unremarkable events.

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                              • j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyzJ j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyz

                                Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).

                                Most people are good people. Even teenagers 😉

                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongan_castaways

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                                #16

                                @j_bertolotti
                                It could be pointed out that those boys were not white and were not subjected to the English school system.

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                                • j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyzJ j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyz

                                  Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).

                                  Most people are good people. Even teenagers 😉

                                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongan_castaways

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                                  @j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyz i knew there was a reason i never liked that book! ​​

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                                  • j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyzJ j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyz

                                    Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).

                                    Most people are good people. Even teenagers 😉

                                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongan_castaways

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                                    #18

                                    as described in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humankind:_A_Hopeful_History as well 👍

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                                    • j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyzJ j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyz

                                      Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).

                                      Most people are good people. Even teenagers 😉

                                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongan_castaways

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                                      @j_bertolotti The difference is that Lord of Flies is about private (or as the English call it 'public') school boys.

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                                      • j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyzJ j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyz

                                        Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).

                                        Most people are good people. Even teenagers 😉

                                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongan_castaways

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                                        @j_bertolotti
                                        According to "Lord of the Flies," in the absence of authority, a society will go to pieces.

                                        The authorities loved it.

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                                        • j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyzJ j_bertolotti@mathstodon.xyz

                                          Random reminder that, despite what you read in "Lord of the Flies", when a real group of teenagers happened to get stranded on a inhabited island, they didn't start killing each other. On the contrary they worked together, built a commune, and survived in good health for 15 months (when they were saved by a passing ship).

                                          Most people are good people. Even teenagers 😉

                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongan_castaways

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                                          #21

                                          @j_bertolotti

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