There is a petition on the UK Parliament website to legally recognise nonbinary as a gender – which would include an X marker on UK passports for nonbinary people.
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@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr I agree passports should without your AGAB..
But sadly they aren't. Same goes for birth certificates.
What is your point?
@radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr That listing genders on identity documents only institutionalizes discrimination and the practice should be ended rather than modified. It would make a lot of people's lives easier not to have to worry about it.
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@radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr That listing genders on identity documents only institutionalizes discrimination and the practice should be ended rather than modified. It would make a lot of people's lives easier not to have to worry about it.
@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr surely that's the point of an X marker? Anyone - including cis people - can choose to opt out.
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@radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr That listing genders on identity documents only institutionalizes discrimination and the practice should be ended rather than modified. It would make a lot of people's lives easier not to have to worry about it.
@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr but if you're wanting to destroy the gender binary on all documents....I agree, but good luck with that. This is the first step - if you got a lot of people opting for X then they might realise how ridiculous it is.
But to say the real world will go from gender on passports to none is kind of Tumblr Utopian thinking.
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@radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr That listing genders on identity documents only institutionalizes discrimination and the practice should be ended rather than modified. It would make a lot of people's lives easier not to have to worry about it.
@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr the fact at the start of this you didn't even know what the situation was in the UK makes me wonder if this is a good faith argument at all?
Like this is for UK people to debate and decide....
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@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr saying you are non-binary publicly ANYWHERE can be used against you.
But some choose to be open about it, like myself. And some choose stealth which is their choice.
Why not have a choice? If we have to have genders on there. But I bet asking for the AGAB on passports would NOT go down well. Try it.
@radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr I'm non-binary/agender too, but it's not just about non-binary people. Gender is a socially constructed hierarchy and those who are assigned female at birth suffer lifelong discrimination regardless of how they identify or present as they grow up. AMAB people are also harmed by the system even as it gives them many privileges. The goal should be to eliminate differential treatment and discriminatory categorization. No one needs the hassle of changing documents.
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@radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr I'm non-binary/agender too, but it's not just about non-binary people. Gender is a socially constructed hierarchy and those who are assigned female at birth suffer lifelong discrimination regardless of how they identify or present as they grow up. AMAB people are also harmed by the system even as it gives them many privileges. The goal should be to eliminate differential treatment and discriminatory categorization. No one needs the hassle of changing documents.
@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr are you in the UK?
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@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr the fact at the start of this you didn't even know what the situation was in the UK makes me wonder if this is a good faith argument at all?
Like this is for UK people to debate and decide....
@radioclash @PedestrianError @mynameistillian Also worth mentioning this petition is about all legal rights / protections for nonbinary folks – in employment, health, etc – not just gender markers on ID.
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@radioclash @PedestrianError @mynameistillian Also worth mentioning this petition is about all legal rights / protections for nonbinary folks – in employment, health, etc – not just gender markers on ID.
@syhr @PedestrianError @mynameistillian exactly.
The government have looked into this before and said there wasn't enough people to do the change, so they have considered it.
Also I suspect there are more people who are non-binary who aren't out officially. Chicken and the egg situation.
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@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr are you in the UK?
@radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr Nope. In a country where people with X markers as well as those who have changed their binary gender markers have already suffered from having documents revoked and their identities declared criminal. It can happen anywhere. I can understand the idea of it being an intermediate step, but the ultimate goal needs to be freedom from government-sanctioned gender for all including those who are more or less cis. Things that serve no purpose should just go away.
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@radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr Nope. In a country where people with X markers as well as those who have changed their binary gender markers have already suffered from having documents revoked and their identities declared criminal. It can happen anywhere. I can understand the idea of it being an intermediate step, but the ultimate goal needs to be freedom from government-sanctioned gender for all including those who are more or less cis. Things that serve no purpose should just go away.
@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr that's very vague.
And also I've never heard of that in any country.
Not saying it can't happen, but it's weird I've never heard of a country using X markers against their own citizens outside maybe the US?
Feels rather well, paranoid? to me. Usually us enbies are under the radar.
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@radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr Nope. In a country where people with X markers as well as those who have changed their binary gender markers have already suffered from having documents revoked and their identities declared criminal. It can happen anywhere. I can understand the idea of it being an intermediate step, but the ultimate goal needs to be freedom from government-sanctioned gender for all including those who are more or less cis. Things that serve no purpose should just go away.
@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr anyway that's your country, not ours.
This is not passing the vibe check as the kids say....
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@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr that's very vague.
And also I've never heard of that in any country.
Not saying it can't happen, but it's weird I've never heard of a country using X markers against their own citizens outside maybe the US?
Feels rather well, paranoid? to me. Usually us enbies are under the radar.
@radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr USA. The centrist Biden administration started allowing X on passports a couple years before fascists came back to power and started revoking them, causing people all kinds of unnecessary administrative headaches. I don't want an X as a virtue signal, I want equal treatment for all, including cis women who continue to have fewer legal rights than those assigned male privilege in a variety of ways. Formally sorting people by gender is incompatible with equality.
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@radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr USA. The centrist Biden administration started allowing X on passports a couple years before fascists came back to power and started revoking them, causing people all kinds of unnecessary administrative headaches. I don't want an X as a virtue signal, I want equal treatment for all, including cis women who continue to have fewer legal rights than those assigned male privilege in a variety of ways. Formally sorting people by gender is incompatible with equality.
@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr fine then don't have it in your country. Campaign for it to be dropped entirely in your country.
Don't tell people in other countries how to run things...different situation, different politics, we are not the US.
Also I know something about the dropping of the marker, that was Trump, he caused the headaches, not us?
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@radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr USA. The centrist Biden administration started allowing X on passports a couple years before fascists came back to power and started revoking them, causing people all kinds of unnecessary administrative headaches. I don't want an X as a virtue signal, I want equal treatment for all, including cis women who continue to have fewer legal rights than those assigned male privilege in a variety of ways. Formally sorting people by gender is incompatible with equality.
@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr also excuse me if I don't totally trust an anon account from an unnamed country using US spellings...
You do not pass the vibe check, sorry.
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@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr fine then don't have it in your country. Campaign for it to be dropped entirely in your country.
Don't tell people in other countries how to run things...different situation, different politics, we are not the US.
Also I know something about the dropping of the marker, that was Trump, he caused the headaches, not us?
@radioclash And there's no risk of Reform UK gaining power or the conservatives coming back with a vengeance? The same issue exists around the world, the same campaigns happen. Opting not to compare notes or observe what has happened elsewhere may be shortsighted. Best of luck to you.
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@alexia @Starcross @syhr So far as I know there is no such register in the UK. We have a whole lot of different incomplete and inconsistent databases for the NHS, births and deaths, naturalisation, passports, residence for council tax purposes, etc. Each of those either includes some non-citizens or excludes some citizens.
Besides which, the petition site is supposed to be open to both citizens and residents.
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@Starcross @syhr yes.
It's an official UK government petition site. They have access to the full electoral role. They routinely check large petitions against it and remove signatures that don't match.
So, I guess you could easily do that, but it's pretty pointless.@jetlagjen @Starcross @syhr What makes you think they check against the electoral roll? Petitions are supposedly open to all UK residents, not only those who can vote
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There is a petition on the UK Parliament website to legally recognise nonbinary as a gender – which would include an X marker on UK passports for nonbinary people.
The deadline to sign is March 2026 and at the time of writing only 213 people have signed.
Let's show them the power of the Fediverse. At 100,000 signatures, the petition will be debated in Parliament.
Sign
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/738780
#NonBinary #Enby #Trans #Transgender #Queer #LGBTQ #LGBT #UK #UKMastodon #Fediverse
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@sirjoho @syhr @sunflowerinrain Absolutely true, but a simple gender marker doesn't come close to providing enough information for a medical emergency. There was an attempt to introduce an electronic card that would contain (or provide access to) one's medical records about twenty years ago, but that was abandoned after it went embarrassingly over-budget.
@seabass @syhr @sunflowerinrain imagine having a catheter inserted by an emt and they don't know your sex or assume the wrong one due to the patient's presentation. imagine not recognizing the patient is having ovarian issues or potentially ectopic pregnancy because the sex is not identified and the patient is not in their right mind to tell them. your correct sex on your ID could literally save your life.
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There is a petition on the UK Parliament website to legally recognise nonbinary as a gender – which would include an X marker on UK passports for nonbinary people.
The deadline to sign is March 2026 and at the time of writing only 213 people have signed.
Let's show them the power of the Fediverse. At 100,000 signatures, the petition will be debated in Parliament.
Sign
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/738780
#NonBinary #Enby #Trans #Transgender #Queer #LGBTQ #LGBT #UK #UKMastodon #Fediverse
@syhr signed!
