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There is a petition on the UK Parliament website to legally recognise nonbinary as a gender – which would include an X marker on UK passports for nonbinary people.

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  • pedestrianerror@towns.gayP pedestrianerror@towns.gay

    @radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr Nope. In a country where people with X markers as well as those who have changed their binary gender markers have already suffered from having documents revoked and their identities declared criminal. It can happen anywhere. I can understand the idea of it being an intermediate step, but the ultimate goal needs to be freedom from government-sanctioned gender for all including those who are more or less cis. Things that serve no purpose should just go away.

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    #84

    @PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr that's very vague.

    And also I've never heard of that in any country.

    Not saying it can't happen, but it's weird I've never heard of a country using X markers against their own citizens outside maybe the US?

    Feels rather well, paranoid? to me. Usually us enbies are under the radar.

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    • pedestrianerror@towns.gayP pedestrianerror@towns.gay

      @radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr Nope. In a country where people with X markers as well as those who have changed their binary gender markers have already suffered from having documents revoked and their identities declared criminal. It can happen anywhere. I can understand the idea of it being an intermediate step, but the ultimate goal needs to be freedom from government-sanctioned gender for all including those who are more or less cis. Things that serve no purpose should just go away.

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      #85

      @PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr anyway that's your country, not ours.

      This is not passing the vibe check as the kids say....

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      • radioclash@retro.pizzaR radioclash@retro.pizza

        @PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr that's very vague.

        And also I've never heard of that in any country.

        Not saying it can't happen, but it's weird I've never heard of a country using X markers against their own citizens outside maybe the US?

        Feels rather well, paranoid? to me. Usually us enbies are under the radar.

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        #86

        @radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr USA. The centrist Biden administration started allowing X on passports a couple years before fascists came back to power and started revoking them, causing people all kinds of unnecessary administrative headaches. I don't want an X as a virtue signal, I want equal treatment for all, including cis women who continue to have fewer legal rights than those assigned male privilege in a variety of ways. Formally sorting people by gender is incompatible with equality.

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        • pedestrianerror@towns.gayP pedestrianerror@towns.gay

          @radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr USA. The centrist Biden administration started allowing X on passports a couple years before fascists came back to power and started revoking them, causing people all kinds of unnecessary administrative headaches. I don't want an X as a virtue signal, I want equal treatment for all, including cis women who continue to have fewer legal rights than those assigned male privilege in a variety of ways. Formally sorting people by gender is incompatible with equality.

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          #87

          @PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr fine then don't have it in your country. Campaign for it to be dropped entirely in your country.

          Don't tell people in other countries how to run things...different situation, different politics, we are not the US.

          Also I know something about the dropping of the marker, that was Trump, he caused the headaches, not us?

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          • pedestrianerror@towns.gayP pedestrianerror@towns.gay

            @radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr USA. The centrist Biden administration started allowing X on passports a couple years before fascists came back to power and started revoking them, causing people all kinds of unnecessary administrative headaches. I don't want an X as a virtue signal, I want equal treatment for all, including cis women who continue to have fewer legal rights than those assigned male privilege in a variety of ways. Formally sorting people by gender is incompatible with equality.

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            #88

            @PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr also excuse me if I don't totally trust an anon account from an unnamed country using US spellings...

            You do not pass the vibe check, sorry.

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            • radioclash@retro.pizzaR radioclash@retro.pizza

              @PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr fine then don't have it in your country. Campaign for it to be dropped entirely in your country.

              Don't tell people in other countries how to run things...different situation, different politics, we are not the US.

              Also I know something about the dropping of the marker, that was Trump, he caused the headaches, not us?

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              #89

              @radioclash And there's no risk of Reform UK gaining power or the conservatives coming back with a vengeance? The same issue exists around the world, the same campaigns happen. Opting not to compare notes or observe what has happened elsewhere may be shortsighted. Best of luck to you.

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              • alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.workA alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work
                @Starcross @syhr data is checked against a registry of citizens AFAIK
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                #90

                @alexia @Starcross @syhr So far as I know there is no such register in the UK. We have a whole lot of different incomplete and inconsistent databases for the NHS, births and deaths, naturalisation, passports, residence for council tax purposes, etc. Each of those either includes some non-citizens or excludes some citizens.

                Besides which, the petition site is supposed to be open to both citizens and residents.

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                • jetlagjen@gts.phillipsuk.orgJ jetlagjen@gts.phillipsuk.org

                  @Starcross @syhr yes.

                  It's an official UK government petition site. They have access to the full electoral role. They routinely check large petitions against it and remove signatures that don't match.

                  So, I guess you could easily do that, but it's pretty pointless.

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                  #91

                  @jetlagjen @Starcross @syhr What makes you think they check against the electoral roll? Petitions are supposedly open to all UK residents, not only those who can vote

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                  • syhr@social.coopS syhr@social.coop

                    There is a petition on the UK Parliament website to legally recognise nonbinary as a gender – which would include an X marker on UK passports for nonbinary people.

                    The deadline to sign is March 2026 and at the time of writing only 213 people have signed.

                    Let's show them the power of the Fediverse. At 100,000 signatures, the petition will be debated in Parliament.

                    Sign 👇

                    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/738780

                    #NonBinary #Enby #Trans #Transgender #Queer #LGBTQ #LGBT #UK #UKMastodon #Fediverse

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                    #92

                    boost with CW: ukpol (+)

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                    • seabass@social.seabass.systemsS seabass@social.seabass.systems

                      @sirjoho @syhr @sunflowerinrain Absolutely true, but a simple gender marker doesn't come close to providing enough information for a medical emergency. There was an attempt to introduce an electronic card that would contain (or provide access to) one's medical records about twenty years ago, but that was abandoned after it went embarrassingly over-budget.

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                      #93

                      @seabass @syhr @sunflowerinrain imagine having a catheter inserted by an emt and they don't know your sex or assume the wrong one due to the patient's presentation. imagine not recognizing the patient is having ovarian issues or potentially ectopic pregnancy because the sex is not identified and the patient is not in their right mind to tell them. your correct sex on your ID could literally save your life.

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                      • syhr@social.coopS syhr@social.coop

                        There is a petition on the UK Parliament website to legally recognise nonbinary as a gender – which would include an X marker on UK passports for nonbinary people.

                        The deadline to sign is March 2026 and at the time of writing only 213 people have signed.

                        Let's show them the power of the Fediverse. At 100,000 signatures, the petition will be debated in Parliament.

                        Sign 👇

                        https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/738780

                        #NonBinary #Enby #Trans #Transgender #Queer #LGBTQ #LGBT #UK #UKMastodon #Fediverse

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                        #94

                        @syhr signed!

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                        • seabass@social.seabass.systemsS seabass@social.seabass.systems

                          @sunflowerinrain @syhr Unfortunately the only mechanism that the UK has currently for changing the gender marker on a passport involves the holder of said passport obtaining a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC). It's already hard enough for trans people to get a GRC, so I don't think it'll be possible for cis people to change their gender marker any time soon. The GRC process is also very invasive so there's little chance a cis person would be willing to lie in order to get one, IMHO.

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                          #95

                          @seabass@social.seabass.systems @sunflowerinrain@mastodon.online @syhr@social.coop I intend to try getting an X in my passport using section 46 of the Data Protection Act (the UK's implementation of GDPR article 16, the right to rectification).

                          The controller must, if so requested by a data subject, rectify without undue delay inaccurate personal data relating to the data subject.

                          I don't see why this wouldn't apply to the gender marker in passports - it's definitely personal data. And it doesn't cost anything to submit a GDPR request to HMPO (and complain to the ICO if that fails) so I might as well try (although I thought of this idea in 2024 and I still haven't actually done it...)

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                          • noisytoot@berkeley.edu.plN noisytoot@berkeley.edu.pl

                            @seabass@social.seabass.systems @sunflowerinrain@mastodon.online @syhr@social.coop I intend to try getting an X in my passport using section 46 of the Data Protection Act (the UK's implementation of GDPR article 16, the right to rectification).

                            The controller must, if so requested by a data subject, rectify without undue delay inaccurate personal data relating to the data subject.

                            I don't see why this wouldn't apply to the gender marker in passports - it's definitely personal data. And it doesn't cost anything to submit a GDPR request to HMPO (and complain to the ICO if that fails) so I might as well try (although I thought of this idea in 2024 and I still haven't actually done it...)

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                            #96

                            @noisytoot @sunflowerinrain @syhr I would be very interested to hear how this goes! By the way, I don't remember you identifying as non-binary in ~2022 when we first got to know each other. If this is indeed recent, congratulations on discovering that aspect of your identity 🙂

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                            • stuey@mastodon.hypnoguys.comS stuey@mastodon.hypnoguys.com

                              @syhr signed!

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                              #97

                              @Stuey 💚

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                              • j12i@weirder.earthJ j12i@weirder.earth

                                boost with CW: ukpol (+)

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                                #98

                                @j12i 💚

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                                • syhr@social.coopS syhr@social.coop

                                  There is a petition on the UK Parliament website to legally recognise nonbinary as a gender – which would include an X marker on UK passports for nonbinary people.

                                  The deadline to sign is March 2026 and at the time of writing only 213 people have signed.

                                  Let's show them the power of the Fediverse. At 100,000 signatures, the petition will be debated in Parliament.

                                  Sign 👇

                                  https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/738780

                                  #NonBinary #Enby #Trans #Transgender #Queer #LGBTQ #LGBT #UK #UKMastodon #Fediverse

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                                  #99

                                  @syhr https://reclaimthenet.org/uk-expands-online-safety-act-to-mandate-preemptive-scanning

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                                  • noisytoot@berkeley.edu.plN noisytoot@berkeley.edu.pl

                                    @seabass@social.seabass.systems @sunflowerinrain@mastodon.online @syhr@social.coop I intend to try getting an X in my passport using section 46 of the Data Protection Act (the UK's implementation of GDPR article 16, the right to rectification).

                                    The controller must, if so requested by a data subject, rectify without undue delay inaccurate personal data relating to the data subject.

                                    I don't see why this wouldn't apply to the gender marker in passports - it's definitely personal data. And it doesn't cost anything to submit a GDPR request to HMPO (and complain to the ICO if that fails) so I might as well try (although I thought of this idea in 2024 and I still haven't actually done it...)

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                                    #100

                                    @noisytoot @sunflowerinrain @syhr @seabass isn't the government basically exempt from that pesky thing of complying with GDPR? Or is it only certain parts of it?

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                                    • syhr@social.coopS syhr@social.coop

                                      There is a petition on the UK Parliament website to legally recognise nonbinary as a gender – which would include an X marker on UK passports for nonbinary people.

                                      The deadline to sign is March 2026 and at the time of writing only 213 people have signed.

                                      Let's show them the power of the Fediverse. At 100,000 signatures, the petition will be debated in Parliament.

                                      Sign 👇

                                      https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/738780

                                      #NonBinary #Enby #Trans #Transgender #Queer #LGBTQ #LGBT #UK #UKMastodon #Fediverse

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                                      #101

                                      @syhr so on reflection, I will not be signing. It seems like a bad idea to create a database of non-binary.

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                                      • syhr@social.coopS syhr@social.coop

                                        There is a petition on the UK Parliament website to legally recognise nonbinary as a gender – which would include an X marker on UK passports for nonbinary people.

                                        The deadline to sign is March 2026 and at the time of writing only 213 people have signed.

                                        Let's show them the power of the Fediverse. At 100,000 signatures, the petition will be debated in Parliament.

                                        Sign 👇

                                        https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/738780

                                        #NonBinary #Enby #Trans #Transgender #Queer #LGBTQ #LGBT #UK #UKMastodon #Fediverse

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                                        #102

                                        @syhr signed

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                                        • staringatclouds@mstdn.socialS staringatclouds@mstdn.social

                                          @syhr signed

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                                          #103

                                          @staringatclouds 💚

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