There is a petition on the UK Parliament website to legally recognise nonbinary as a gender – which would include an X marker on UK passports for nonbinary people.

@radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr So you can get a passport without any gender marker in the UK? If it's a choice, roughly what percent of people (of all genders, cis and trans) choose to display a gender on their passport?

@syhr

I support this, and not just for non-binary. I'm cis-female and have long resented being forced to announce it in circumstances where my gender should be irrelevant.

@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr No you can't get a passport without a gender marker in the UK. That's what the petition is asking for.

@radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr OK, so then under what's being proposed, non-binary people would have to choose either to display a binary gender that is inaccurate or to mark themselves for potential persecution, while cis and binary trans people also have to carry a marker that may be used to discriminate against them. Why put genders on passports in the first place? What purpose does it serve?

@syhr @sunflowerinrain gender on ID saves lives. medical treatment is very different between male and female, and in an emergency having that information could easily be the difference between life and death. they probably should list your blood-type too.

@radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr OK, so then under what's being proposed, non-binary people would have to choose either to display a binary gender that is inaccurate or to mark themselves for potential persecution, while cis and binary trans people also have to carry a marker that may be used to discriminate against them. Why put genders on passports in the first place? What purpose does it serve?

@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr I agree passports should without your AGAB..

But sadly they aren't. Same goes for birth certificates.

What is your point?

@radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr That listing genders on identity documents only institutionalizes discrimination and the practice should be ended rather than modified. It would make a lot of people's lives easier not to have to worry about it.

@radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr That listing genders on identity documents only institutionalizes discrimination and the practice should be ended rather than modified. It would make a lot of people's lives easier not to have to worry about it.

@radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr That listing genders on identity documents only institutionalizes discrimination and the practice should be ended rather than modified. It would make a lot of people's lives easier not to have to worry about it.

@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr saying you are non-binary publicly ANYWHERE can be used against you.

But some choose to be open about it, like myself. And some choose stealth which is their choice.

Why not have a choice? If we have to have genders on there. But I bet asking for the AGAB on passports would NOT go down well. Try it.

@radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr I'm non-binary/agender too, but it's not just about non-binary people. Gender is a socially constructed hierarchy and those who are assigned female at birth suffer lifelong discrimination regardless of how they identify or present as they grow up. AMAB people are also harmed by the system even as it gives them many privileges. The goal should be to eliminate differential treatment and discriminatory categorization. No one needs the hassle of changing documents.

@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr the fact at the start of this you didn't even know what the situation was in the UK makes me wonder if this is a good faith argument at all?

Like this is for UK people to debate and decide....

@radioclash @PedestrianError @mynameistillian Also worth mentioning this petition is about all legal rights / protections for nonbinary folks – in employment, health, etc – not just gender markers on ID.

@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr are you in the UK?

@radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr Nope. In a country where people with X markers as well as those who have changed their binary gender markers have already suffered from having documents revoked and their identities declared criminal. It can happen anywhere. I can understand the idea of it being an intermediate step, but the ultimate goal needs to be freedom from government-sanctioned gender for all including those who are more or less cis. Things that serve no purpose should just go away.

@radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr Nope. In a country where people with X markers as well as those who have changed their binary gender markers have already suffered from having documents revoked and their identities declared criminal. It can happen anywhere. I can understand the idea of it being an intermediate step, but the ultimate goal needs to be freedom from government-sanctioned gender for all including those who are more or less cis. Things that serve no purpose should just go away.

@PedestrianError @mynameistillian @syhr that's very vague.

And also I've never heard of that in any country.

Not saying it can't happen, but it's weird I've never heard of a country using X markers against their own citizens outside maybe the US?

Feels rather well, paranoid? to me. Usually us enbies are under the radar.

@radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr USA. The centrist Biden administration started allowing X on passports a couple years before fascists came back to power and started revoking them, causing people all kinds of unnecessary administrative headaches. I don't want an X as a virtue signal, I want equal treatment for all, including cis women who continue to have fewer legal rights than those assigned male privilege in a variety of ways. Formally sorting people by gender is incompatible with equality.

@radioclash @mynameistillian @syhr USA. The centrist Biden administration started allowing X on passports a couple years before fascists came back to power and started revoking them, causing people all kinds of unnecessary administrative headaches. I don't want an X as a virtue signal, I want equal treatment for all, including cis women who continue to have fewer legal rights than those assigned male privilege in a variety of ways. Formally sorting people by gender is incompatible with equality.