While we do #Denmark #Danmark #USA #Greenland #Arctic drama, don't forget the #Inuit, the people who live there
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@su_liam @TCatInReality @grumble209 @eswag @Pepijn
right
and notice how the entitled twist it to justify their complacency by not voting
maddening
@benroyce @su_liam @TCatInReality @grumble209 @eswag @Pepijn I just saw the video of the ICE agent shooting a mother of three at point blank range. I think that's a pretty good way to put it to people: if you'd shown up to vote for Harris, this woman in Minneapolis would be alive with her kids today. How about that for a difference between the candidates.
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that's funny because the "i'm not voting" validation performances are the gleeful ego masturbation in question here
the most important thing for the entitled nonvoter is their self-regard. it isn't making a difference
if somehow their demands before they show up and vote are met they still won't vote. they will find some other reason not to vote
because *that* is the point for them: their high holy purity self-regard song and dance
you don't see how toxic nonvoters are
@benroyce @theothersimo @Pepijn I am growing more and more angry at nonvoters and other both-sides-ing people. They’re a big part of why things have gotten so bad.
I’m still here on Mastodon because I believe in the potential of this platform, but we have bad actors here just like all the other platforms. That’s a strike against it.
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@benroyce @theothersimo @Pepijn I am growing more and more angry at nonvoters and other both-sides-ing people. They’re a big part of why things have gotten so bad.
I’m still here on Mastodon because I believe in the potential of this platform, but we have bad actors here just like all the other platforms. That’s a strike against it.
@mister_shade02X2 @theothersimo @Pepijn
you could be like me. i pick at this infuriating scab of mindless cynicism and toxic idealism entitled do-nothing nonvoters and never fucking shut up about it until they all block me, so i never see their comments
but i know they are there
hopefully i serve as a counterbalance of reason and sanity in a sea of useless whiners
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The earliest stages would require a retiree in-post or taxation to get started - the initial representatives are full-time positions. Someone or thing would have to pay them. Also, because they have no legal authority, such representatives have little power unless they have a budget.
How do you avoid the early tier system becoming a subscription club? Or is this something you want it to become?
Many good concerns.
The TDG has similarities with the Soviet system. But the Soviets had one political party, which required an adherance to certain ideology---and eventually worship of its leader. That leader rigged elections to keep him in power. The TDG will cast aside those with power accumulation instincts.
Most of the TDG representatives would be volunteers, maybe a small "per meeting" pay. They would have regular jobs.
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The earliest stages would require a retiree in-post or taxation to get started - the initial representatives are full-time positions. Someone or thing would have to pay them. Also, because they have no legal authority, such representatives have little power unless they have a budget.
How do you avoid the early tier system becoming a subscription club? Or is this something you want it to become?
The first members would be the first TDG builders. But the goal of each TDG would be to eventually have all neighbors voting.
Initially, the TDG will be mostly about its own self-governance, while learning the skills for TDG goverance. In the early stages, the TDG does not have the skills to handle societal issues. That will come later.
The TDG is about building a new political culture: deliberately and consciously.
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@benroyce @theothersimo @Pepijn I am growing more and more angry at nonvoters and other both-sides-ing people. They’re a big part of why things have gotten so bad.
I’m still here on Mastodon because I believe in the potential of this platform, but we have bad actors here just like all the other platforms. That’s a strike against it.
@mister_shade02X2 @benroyce @theothersimo @Pepijn The good thing about Mastodon is that it's not "a" platform, thanks to federation. Anyone can spin up an instance so yeah, some arseholes will spin up Nazi bars and some badly moderated instances attract the worst people. But that's GOOD. You can block entire instances and curate your experience to make sure your exposure to them is kept to a minimum. That's not to say it's easy and there isn't still a lot of room for improvement.
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dave that's awesome but:
*how* do you implement it
and in that answer is everything i am talking about
Chapter 6 is how a society moves from western democracy to TDG. It will be about a 10-to-20 year process. There are new things we have to learn.
Not the answer you are looking for.
I am not a fireman, so I won't spend too much time to fix the current broken system. I'm more like a fire architect, designing system to reduce fires.
We can build the TDG during times of an oligarchy, which is plausible these days.
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And how many of those 'not my president' will be part of the force invading Trump's next target? Or meekly paying taxes. The Good Germans were Nazi supporters. I get the sense many Americans are pinning their hopes on the elections this year. Too little and too late.
"And I must say that I find it harder by the day to hear quotes from US citizens like "I didn't vote for him", "not my president", "not in my name" and especially: "50% of us disagree".
@elasticsoul @Pepijn @benroyce I’m going to make this even worse: even if you voted AGAINST TFG, you are still responsible for him, his government, and their actions in our name.
#USpol (1/3)
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@elasticsoul @Pepijn @benroyce I’m going to make this even worse: even if you voted AGAINST TFG, you are still responsible for him, his government, and their actions in our name.
#USpol (1/3)
We’ve consciously embraced a majoritarian form of government, which specifies that the candidate picked by the most people is OUR president and runs OUR government. Parliamentary systems provide more opportunity for consensus building, and more importantly, votes of no confidence that bring down governments.
#USpol (2/3)
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We’ve consciously embraced a majoritarian form of government, which specifies that the candidate picked by the most people is OUR president and runs OUR government. Parliamentary systems provide more opportunity for consensus building, and more importantly, votes of no confidence that bring down governments.
#USpol (2/3)
So as American voters, we keep this system in place, and we agree to give whatever bozo wins a majority of voters the keys for four years with no practical recourse (look at the success of any attempt at presidential impeachment and removal that has ever occurred. We’re okay at the impeachment part, but we suck at the removal part.
#USpol (3/3)
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@su_liam @grumble209 @benroyce @TCatInReality @Pepijn
To be fair to them, they were writing the constitution more than a century before Duverger was born. What's our excuse?
I think the US sucks at reforming its constitution because its ppl have been persuaded that it's weird or wrong to be into politics. Now that politics is becoming literally and violently fatal to even quite privileged people in the US, I'm optimistic that this blasé attitude will change.
@eswag @grumble209 @benroyce @TCatInReality @Pepijn Also, it is genuinely hard and a bit dangerous to alter the Constitution. It has to pass with 2/3 of each chamber of Congress, and ratified by 3/4 of state legislatures.
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@benroyce @TCatInReality @grumble209 @Pepijn
The trick is to remember that you voted for evil, and ask "why was I offered two flavours of shit sandwich?". In the US, the answer to that is, " because you didn't show up to the primaries".
@eswag @benroyce @TCatInReality @Pepijn Can people who work really hard with two or three side hustles and not spending money on avocado toast and $1000 iPhones become billionaires?
Probably - it's rare, but it can happen. Mostly, this line of rhetoric is made by the assholes at the top to reframe the problem of inequality and lack of social mobility from structural injustice onto personal responsibility. You're not a billionaire because just you're not hustling hard enough.
This is a post about people voting in primaries.
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@eswag @grumble209 @benroyce @TCatInReality @Pepijn Also, it is genuinely hard and a bit dangerous to alter the Constitution. It has to pass with 2/3 of each chamber of Congress, and ratified by 3/4 of state legislatures.
@su_liam @grumble209 @benroyce @TCatInReality @Pepijn
For sure, amending a constitution isn't something you do lightly. I think it should be possible to get an amendment like "corporations are not people, and money is not speech" through without breaking too many eggs.
As for hard, it used to be done with the same thresholds.
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@eswag @benroyce @TCatInReality @Pepijn Can people who work really hard with two or three side hustles and not spending money on avocado toast and $1000 iPhones become billionaires?
Probably - it's rare, but it can happen. Mostly, this line of rhetoric is made by the assholes at the top to reframe the problem of inequality and lack of social mobility from structural injustice onto personal responsibility. You're not a billionaire because just you're not hustling hard enough.
This is a post about people voting in primaries.
@grumble209 @benroyce @TCatInReality @Pepijn
The correct answer to that question is "fuck no!". Name a billionaire former hard working hustler. I bet you can't find even one.
Unless you can find an integer percentage of the US population of them (i.e. a few million), any you do find are a rounding error, and the answer is still "fuck no!".
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@su_liam @grumble209 @benroyce @TCatInReality @Pepijn
For sure, amending a constitution isn't something you do lightly. I think it should be possible to get an amendment like "corporations are not people, and money is not speech" through without breaking too many eggs.
As for hard, it used to be done with the same thresholds.
@eswag @su_liam @benroyce @TCatInReality @Pepijn My brother, it took the most deadly war in US history to amend our Constitution so that humans from Africa were considered *mostly *human. That was 160 years ago not only have we not made it the rest of the way, but we're falling backwards.
We're unable to amend our Constitution so that we consider women to have the same rights as men.
Getting rich people and their financial instruments (corporations) to not run our government and our lives will be just as hard and likely just as bloody.
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@eswag @su_liam @benroyce @TCatInReality @Pepijn My brother, it took the most deadly war in US history to amend our Constitution so that humans from Africa were considered *mostly *human. That was 160 years ago not only have we not made it the rest of the way, but we're falling backwards.
We're unable to amend our Constitution so that we consider women to have the same rights as men.
Getting rich people and their financial instruments (corporations) to not run our government and our lives will be just as hard and likely just as bloody.
@grumble209 @su_liam @benroyce @TCatInReality @Pepijn
The last one was done without a war in 1992. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
I agree that disenfranchising the oligarchy isn't going to be easy, but constitutional amendments have been done within the lifetimes of many (most?) living US citizens. Also, they've been done without violent havoc.
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yup
the americans didn't tell the danes, they just set up a secret nuclear installation in #greenland, then abandoned it, and as the ice melts it's a pollution timebomb
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@eswag @benroyce @TCatInReality @Pepijn Can people who work really hard with two or three side hustles and not spending money on avocado toast and $1000 iPhones become billionaires?
Probably - it's rare, but it can happen. Mostly, this line of rhetoric is made by the assholes at the top to reframe the problem of inequality and lack of social mobility from structural injustice onto personal responsibility. You're not a billionaire because just you're not hustling hard enough.
This is a post about people voting in primaries.
@grumble209 @eswag @benroyce @Pepijn
It's a nonsense post, if you think it's about primaries.
The flaws of democracy are never fixed by less engagement in democratic processes.
Sure, we can argue people are time short - and what can we do to address that. But concluding that you abandon the democratic process instead is wildly illogical.
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@grumble209 @su_liam @benroyce @TCatInReality @Pepijn
The last one was done without a war in 1992. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
I agree that disenfranchising the oligarchy isn't going to be easy, but constitutional amendments have been done within the lifetimes of many (most?) living US citizens. Also, they've been done without violent havoc.
@eswag @grumble209 @su_liam @benroyce @Pepijn
That one took 203 years
Maybe not the best example of how the US Constitution can be amended without great difficulty.
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@grumble209 @su_liam @benroyce @TCatInReality @Pepijn
The last one was done without a war in 1992. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
I agree that disenfranchising the oligarchy isn't going to be easy, but constitutional amendments have been done within the lifetimes of many (most?) living US citizens. Also, they've been done without violent havoc.
@eswag @grumble209 @su_liam @benroyce @Pepijn
That one took 203 years
Maybe not the best example of how the US Constitution can be amended without great difficulty.
