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  • su_liam@mas.toS su_liam@mas.to

    @grumble209 @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn For the most part, the “Founding Fathers” agreed with you too. Unfortunately, they just ignored how political parties arise and built the perfect Duverger’s Law structure. One way to sidestep Duverger’s Law is proportional representation(which is built on parties). Some form of preference or instant run-off voting <i>might<\i> work. Or repeated elections…🙄

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    #145

    @su_liam @grumble209 @benroyce @TCatInReality @Pepijn

    To be fair to them, they were writing the constitution more than a century before Duverger was born. What's our excuse?

    I think the US sucks at reforming its constitution because its ppl have been persuaded that it's weird or wrong to be into politics. Now that politics is becoming literally and violently fatal to even quite privileged people in the US, I'm optimistic that this blasé attitude will change.

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    • grumble209@kolektiva.socialG grumble209@kolektiva.social

      @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn It's easy to agree when the ballot has good candidates that just happen to be Democrats. But I think we'll end up disagreeing over voting for shitty Democrats vs shitty Republicans.

      Personally, I'm getting really tired of taste-testing the shit from both candidates to pick the one that's microscopically less shitty.

      But let's think happy thoughts and pray that the DNC won't ever again run two shitty presidential candidates without a primary like 2024.

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      #146

      @grumble209 @benroyce @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn The fact that “shitty Democrats”generally comes down to stay-the-course, “don’t change nothing,” while the best Republicans are “let’s take down everything good,” but draw the line at “burn the Constitution,” and actual Republican candidates are, “Burn It All: we have an edifice of shit to build!”
      Such a hard choice.

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      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

        @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn

        no argument

        as long as you vote

        harris sucked

        and what is this MAGA fascism we're seeing? the same?!

        if you don't vote, and en masse with all the other inflexible dreamers you therefore get worse, what is the fucking point?

        better

        or

        worse

        *all you ever fucking get in this world*

        and when you choose better, you ITERATE to even better next time

        THAT is how you improve the world

        sitting out until perfect magically appears is impotent insanity

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        #147

        @benroyce @grumble209 @TCatInReality @eswag @Pepijn Choose the lesser evil until you can primary something good in. If you can’t even win a primary, what do you think is gonna happen in the general?
        If you’re incredibly lucky, you lose and get the lesser evil. If not, you lose and eat shit.

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        • davevolek@mastodon.socialD davevolek@mastodon.social

          @eswag @benroyce @Pepijn

          I'm an inventor of Tiered Democratic Governance. In the TDG:
          1) there are no political parties
          2) voting is based on good character & capacity for governance,
          3) a culture of consultative decision making, and
          4) an advisory board as its main check-and-balance.

          The 15-minute essay is here:

          https://tiereddemocraticgovernance.org/blog_details.php?blog_cat_id=30&id=12

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          #148

          @davevolek @eswag @Pepijn

          dave that's awesome but:

          *how* do you implement it

          and in that answer is everything i am talking about

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          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

            @TCatInReality @grumble209 @eswag @Pepijn

            people who don't #vote love the "lesser evil" quote by #HannahArendt

            the problem:

            the quote is from her 1964 essay “Personal Responsibility Under Dictatorship”

            she is describing life under #fascism, where people have no real choice

            it has nothing to do with choice in #democracy

            nonvoters are misusing her quote

            if Hannah were commenting on #USA #elections today, she would say "fuck! vote, you entitled assholes!"

            (she would say it nicer than that)

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            #149

            @benroyce @TCatInReality @grumble209 @eswag @Pepijn The key is to not forget, and keep working to make things better.
            I mean, that’s what she’s saying…

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            • su_liam@mas.toS su_liam@mas.to

              @benroyce @TCatInReality @grumble209 @eswag @Pepijn The key is to not forget, and keep working to make things better.
              I mean, that’s what she’s saying…

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              #150

              @su_liam @TCatInReality @grumble209 @eswag @Pepijn

              right

              and notice how the entitled twist it to justify their complacency by not voting

              maddening

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              • theothersimo@mastodon.socialT theothersimo@mastodon.social

                @benroyce @Pepijn it’s annoying, yes, but not as much as people who put more blame on the voters than on the candidates. Their public madturbation sessions just seem to go on and on and on and on and on.

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                #151

                @theothersimo @Pepijn

                that's funny because the "i'm not voting" validation performances are the gleeful ego masturbation in question here

                the most important thing for the entitled nonvoter is their self-regard. it isn't making a difference

                if somehow their demands before they show up and vote are met they still won't vote. they will find some other reason not to vote

                because *that* is the point for them: their high holy purity self-regard song and dance

                you don't see how toxic nonvoters are

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                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                  @su_liam @TCatInReality @grumble209 @eswag @Pepijn

                  right

                  and notice how the entitled twist it to justify their complacency by not voting

                  maddening

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                  #152

                  @benroyce @su_liam @TCatInReality @grumble209 @eswag @Pepijn I just saw the video of the ICE agent shooting a mother of three at point blank range. I think that's a pretty good way to put it to people: if you'd shown up to vote for Harris, this woman in Minneapolis would be alive with her kids today. How about that for a difference between the candidates.

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                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                    @theothersimo @Pepijn

                    that's funny because the "i'm not voting" validation performances are the gleeful ego masturbation in question here

                    the most important thing for the entitled nonvoter is their self-regard. it isn't making a difference

                    if somehow their demands before they show up and vote are met they still won't vote. they will find some other reason not to vote

                    because *that* is the point for them: their high holy purity self-regard song and dance

                    you don't see how toxic nonvoters are

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                    #153

                    @benroyce @theothersimo @Pepijn I am growing more and more angry at nonvoters and other both-sides-ing people. They’re a big part of why things have gotten so bad.

                    I’m still here on Mastodon because I believe in the potential of this platform, but we have bad actors here just like all the other platforms. That’s a strike against it.

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                    • mister_shade02x2@mastodon.socialM mister_shade02x2@mastodon.social

                      @benroyce @theothersimo @Pepijn I am growing more and more angry at nonvoters and other both-sides-ing people. They’re a big part of why things have gotten so bad.

                      I’m still here on Mastodon because I believe in the potential of this platform, but we have bad actors here just like all the other platforms. That’s a strike against it.

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                      #154

                      @mister_shade02X2 @theothersimo @Pepijn

                      you could be like me. i pick at this infuriating scab of mindless cynicism and toxic idealism entitled do-nothing nonvoters and never fucking shut up about it until they all block me, so i never see their comments 😂

                      but i know they are there

                      hopefully i serve as a counterbalance of reason and sanity in a sea of useless whiners

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                      • eswag@dju.socialE eswag@dju.social

                        @davevolek @benroyce @Pepijn

                        The earliest stages would require a retiree in-post or taxation to get started - the initial representatives are full-time positions. Someone or thing would have to pay them. Also, because they have no legal authority, such representatives have little power unless they have a budget.

                        How do you avoid the early tier system becoming a subscription club? Or is this something you want it to become?

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                        #155

                        @eswag @benroyce @Pepijn

                        Many good concerns.

                        The TDG has similarities with the Soviet system. But the Soviets had one political party, which required an adherance to certain ideology---and eventually worship of its leader. That leader rigged elections to keep him in power. The TDG will cast aside those with power accumulation instincts.

                        Most of the TDG representatives would be volunteers, maybe a small "per meeting" pay. They would have regular jobs.

                        1/2

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                        • eswag@dju.socialE eswag@dju.social

                          @davevolek @benroyce @Pepijn

                          The earliest stages would require a retiree in-post or taxation to get started - the initial representatives are full-time positions. Someone or thing would have to pay them. Also, because they have no legal authority, such representatives have little power unless they have a budget.

                          How do you avoid the early tier system becoming a subscription club? Or is this something you want it to become?

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                          #156

                          @eswag @benroyce @Pepijn

                          The first members would be the first TDG builders. But the goal of each TDG would be to eventually have all neighbors voting.

                          Initially, the TDG will be mostly about its own self-governance, while learning the skills for TDG goverance. In the early stages, the TDG does not have the skills to handle societal issues. That will come later.

                          The TDG is about building a new political culture: deliberately and consciously.

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                          • mister_shade02x2@mastodon.socialM mister_shade02x2@mastodon.social

                            @benroyce @theothersimo @Pepijn I am growing more and more angry at nonvoters and other both-sides-ing people. They’re a big part of why things have gotten so bad.

                            I’m still here on Mastodon because I believe in the potential of this platform, but we have bad actors here just like all the other platforms. That’s a strike against it.

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                            #157

                            @mister_shade02X2 @benroyce @theothersimo @Pepijn The good thing about Mastodon is that it's not "a" platform, thanks to federation. Anyone can spin up an instance so yeah, some arseholes will spin up Nazi bars and some badly moderated instances attract the worst people. But that's GOOD. You can block entire instances and curate your experience to make sure your exposure to them is kept to a minimum. That's not to say it's easy and there isn't still a lot of room for improvement.

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                            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                              @davevolek @eswag @Pepijn

                              dave that's awesome but:

                              *how* do you implement it

                              and in that answer is everything i am talking about

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                              #158

                              @benroyce @eswag @Pepijn

                              Chapter 6 is how a society moves from western democracy to TDG. It will be about a 10-to-20 year process. There are new things we have to learn.

                              Not the answer you are looking for.

                              I am not a fireman, so I won't spend too much time to fix the current broken system. I'm more like a fire architect, designing system to reduce fires.

                              We can build the TDG during times of an oligarchy, which is plausible these days.

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                              • elasticsoul@mastodon.socialE elasticsoul@mastodon.social

                                @Pepijn @benroyce

                                💯 And how many of those 'not my president' will be part of the force invading Trump's next target? Or meekly paying taxes. The Good Germans were Nazi supporters.

                                I get the sense many Americans are pinning their hopes on the elections this year. Too little and too late.

                                "And I must say that I find it harder by the day to hear quotes from US citizens like "I didn't vote for him", "not my president", "not in my name" and especially: "50% of us disagree".

                                #cdnpoli #Greenland

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                                #159

                                @elasticsoul @Pepijn @benroyce I’m going to make this even worse: even if you voted AGAINST TFG, you are still responsible for him, his government, and their actions in our name.

                                #USpol (1/3)

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                                • mjt@mastodon.onlineM mjt@mastodon.online

                                  @elasticsoul @Pepijn @benroyce I’m going to make this even worse: even if you voted AGAINST TFG, you are still responsible for him, his government, and their actions in our name.

                                  #USpol (1/3)

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                                  #160

                                  We’ve consciously embraced a majoritarian form of government, which specifies that the candidate picked by the most people is OUR president and runs OUR government. Parliamentary systems provide more opportunity for consensus building, and more importantly, votes of no confidence that bring down governments.

                                  #USpol (2/3)

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                                  • mjt@mastodon.onlineM mjt@mastodon.online

                                    We’ve consciously embraced a majoritarian form of government, which specifies that the candidate picked by the most people is OUR president and runs OUR government. Parliamentary systems provide more opportunity for consensus building, and more importantly, votes of no confidence that bring down governments.

                                    #USpol (2/3)

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                                    #161

                                    So as American voters, we keep this system in place, and we agree to give whatever bozo wins a majority of voters the keys for four years with no practical recourse (look at the success of any attempt at presidential impeachment and removal that has ever occurred. We’re okay at the impeachment part, but we suck at the removal part.

                                    #USpol (3/3)

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                                    • eswag@dju.socialE eswag@dju.social

                                      @su_liam @grumble209 @benroyce @TCatInReality @Pepijn

                                      To be fair to them, they were writing the constitution more than a century before Duverger was born. What's our excuse?

                                      I think the US sucks at reforming its constitution because its ppl have been persuaded that it's weird or wrong to be into politics. Now that politics is becoming literally and violently fatal to even quite privileged people in the US, I'm optimistic that this blasé attitude will change.

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                                      #162

                                      @eswag @grumble209 @benroyce @TCatInReality @Pepijn Also, it is genuinely hard and a bit dangerous to alter the Constitution. It has to pass with 2/3 of each chamber of Congress, and ratified by 3/4 of state legislatures.

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                                      • eswag@dju.socialE eswag@dju.social

                                        @benroyce @TCatInReality @grumble209 @Pepijn

                                        The trick is to remember that you voted for evil, and ask "why was I offered two flavours of shit sandwich?". In the US, the answer to that is, " because you didn't show up to the primaries".

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                                        #163

                                        @eswag @benroyce @TCatInReality @Pepijn Can people who work really hard with two or three side hustles and not spending money on avocado toast and $1000 iPhones become billionaires?

                                        Probably - it's rare, but it can happen. Mostly, this line of rhetoric is made by the assholes at the top to reframe the problem of inequality and lack of social mobility from structural injustice onto personal responsibility. You're not a billionaire because just you're not hustling hard enough.

                                        This is a post about people voting in primaries.

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                                        • su_liam@mas.toS su_liam@mas.to

                                          @eswag @grumble209 @benroyce @TCatInReality @Pepijn Also, it is genuinely hard and a bit dangerous to alter the Constitution. It has to pass with 2/3 of each chamber of Congress, and ratified by 3/4 of state legislatures.

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                                          #164

                                          @su_liam @grumble209 @benroyce @TCatInReality @Pepijn

                                          For sure, amending a constitution isn't something you do lightly. I think it should be possible to get an amendment like "corporations are not people, and money is not speech" through without breaking too many eggs.

                                          As for hard, it used to be done with the same thresholds.

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