It always makes me sad when another fedi user - and, in my experience, it is always a woman - says that they feel unsafe posting here, because of replies they get.
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A server could easily drop any replies that ignore reply controls even if modified owns allow it. In which case it would be "anyone running a server with these modifications can see unauthorized replies to people with reply controls on but to everyone else (including the original poster) they don't exist
That makes them the equivalent of an email chain with a link to the post in it rather than replies
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It always makes me sad when another fedi user - and, in my experience, it is always a woman - says that they feel unsafe posting here, because of replies they get.
Control over who can reply to a toot would be amazing, as a way to improve this without them needing to mute or block post-harm.
@neil This is one of those cases where it's not really about gender, it's about kyrirarchy, because (for example) people of colour say the same things here.
We need to find ways to make fedi safe for everyone -- across every axis of social power.
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It always makes me sad when another fedi user - and, in my experience, it is always a woman - says that they feel unsafe posting here, because of replies they get.
Control over who can reply to a toot would be amazing, as a way to improve this without them needing to mute or block post-harm.
@neil fortunately I've not had crazy experiences but I only interact with a very narrow number of people. Also I block enthusiastically. I sometimes will see a random post by a very mean person and block proactively before they find me. It also helps that I am on a well moderated server
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@neil Then the actual face to face world
@electricfusionQ no, but face to face you can catch these hands. @neil
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@gotofritz @HunterZ @neil Obviously the person who put them on the blocklist thinks they deserve to be there or they wouldn't've done it. Whether the person blocked thinks they deserve it... I don't see where that's relevant to whether other people want to block that person. All of the people I want to block universally HATE being blocked and think nobody should be able to block them, and I don't see where their opinion should matter to me at all.
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@munkisquisher @neil AI? GenAI? It is to laugh. It's not nearly reliable enough to be used without human supervision, and never will be given it's basis. That makes it useless for pre-emptive blocking. Not to mention the load it'd place on the instances having to analyze every post once for each user who'd see it.
The goal is to allow individual users to benefit from other people's evaluations, not to make them do their own.
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@gotofritz @HunterZ @neil Obviously the person who put them on the blocklist thinks they deserve to be there or they wouldn't've done it. Whether the person blocked thinks they deserve it... I don't see where that's relevant to whether other people want to block that person. All of the people I want to block universally HATE being blocked and think nobody should be able to block them, and I don't see where their opinion should matter to me at all.
@gotofritz @HunterZ @neil Oh, and as for how to get off the list once you're on it?
1. Change your behavior so people don't think you deserve to be blocked.
2. Demonstrate that change over time.
3. Politely ask/beg people to reconsider, and hope they forgive you.
4. Think about how you're coming across to other people, and proactively _not_ act in ways that'll make people want to block you in the first place. Remember, you aren't owed forgiveness.
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It always makes me sad when another fedi user - and, in my experience, it is always a woman - says that they feel unsafe posting here, because of replies they get.
Control over who can reply to a toot would be amazing, as a way to improve this without them needing to mute or block post-harm.
@neil Mysogeny is a real issue. Anyone can hide behind an interface and abuse others. Basically cowards.
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It always makes me sad when another fedi user - and, in my experience, it is always a woman - says that they feel unsafe posting here, because of replies they get.
Control over who can reply to a toot would be amazing, as a way to improve this without them needing to mute or block post-harm.
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@neil This is one of those cases where it's not really about gender, it's about kyrirarchy, because (for example) people of colour say the same things here.
We need to find ways to make fedi safe for everyone -- across every axis of social power.
@ShaulaEvans Absolutely!
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It always makes me sad when another fedi user - and, in my experience, it is always a woman - says that they feel unsafe posting here, because of replies they get.
Control over who can reply to a toot would be amazing, as a way to improve this without them needing to mute or block post-harm.
@neil it is the most upvoted issue on mastodon:
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I suspect that the online translation I used is poor, as it makes it sound like you are trivialising the impact of these replies on women, and suggesting that the onus is on them (moving instance, or engaging differently) to solve the problem.
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I suspect that the online translation I used is poor, as it makes it sound like you are trivialising the impact of these replies on women, and suggesting that the onus is on them (moving instance, or engaging differently) to solve the problem.
Ich bin Frau und das schon über 70 Jahren.
Ich habe meine eigenen Erfahrungen, nicht nur positive.
Ich versuche stets die Opferrolle zu vermeiden und selbst aktiv zu sein.
Das "Problem" bezog sich spontan nur auf die technische Frage, wie kann ich dafür sorgen, dass nur Follower antworten (können). -
Ich bin Frau und das schon über 70 Jahren.
Ich habe meine eigenen Erfahrungen, nicht nur positive.
Ich versuche stets die Opferrolle zu vermeiden und selbst aktiv zu sein.
Das "Problem" bezog sich spontan nur auf die technische Frage, wie kann ich dafür sorgen, dass nur Follower antworten (können).To my mind, it is more than "only followers", but rather then ability to say "no replies" at all.
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All toots, irrespective of visibility settings.
And no just "private replies", but the ability to set "no replies", and "replies only from people that I follow" (and perhaps other levels of control too).
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