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It always makes me sad when another fedi user - and, in my experience, it is always a woman - says that they feel unsafe posting here, because of replies they get.

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  • gotofritz@hachyderm.ioG gotofritz@hachyderm.io

    @tknarr @HunterZ @neil

    How do you know whether everyone in a blocklist deserves to be there, how do you get removed if someone puts you there for trivial reasons, etc

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    #79

    @gotofritz @HunterZ @neil Obviously the person who put them on the blocklist thinks they deserve to be there or they wouldn't've done it. Whether the person blocked thinks they deserve it... I don't see where that's relevant to whether other people want to block that person. All of the people I want to block universally HATE being blocked and think nobody should be able to block them, and I don't see where their opinion should matter to me at all.

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    • M munkisquisher@mastodon.nz

      @tknarr @neil We're in the days of being able to use LLM's to summarize and 'vibes check' a users last few dozen posts. No reason to rely on someone else's blocklist. Train your own based on topics you don't want to hear about or similarity to other posts you've flagged.

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      #80

      @munkisquisher @neil AI? GenAI? It is to laugh. It's not nearly reliable enough to be used without human supervision, and never will be given it's basis. That makes it useless for pre-emptive blocking. Not to mention the load it'd place on the instances having to analyze every post once for each user who'd see it.

      The goal is to allow individual users to benefit from other people's evaluations, not to make them do their own.

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      • tknarr@mstdn.socialT tknarr@mstdn.social

        @gotofritz @HunterZ @neil Obviously the person who put them on the blocklist thinks they deserve to be there or they wouldn't've done it. Whether the person blocked thinks they deserve it... I don't see where that's relevant to whether other people want to block that person. All of the people I want to block universally HATE being blocked and think nobody should be able to block them, and I don't see where their opinion should matter to me at all.

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        #81

        @gotofritz @HunterZ @neil Oh, and as for how to get off the list once you're on it?

        1. Change your behavior so people don't think you deserve to be blocked.

        2. Demonstrate that change over time.

        3. Politely ask/beg people to reconsider, and hope they forgive you.

        4. Think about how you're coming across to other people, and proactively _not_ act in ways that'll make people want to block you in the first place. Remember, you aren't owed forgiveness.

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        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

          @mlanger @alex

          > YES, as long as it's an OPTION.

          Indeed, I don't think I've seen anyone suggesting that it should be mandatory!

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          #82

          @neil @mlanger @alex
          If there is a choice who may or may not answer to a toot then this choice is obviously mandatory, not optional. You just can not go without an option. Preset should be "everybody allowed to answer" though.

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          • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

            It always makes me sad when another fedi user - and, in my experience, it is always a woman - says that they feel unsafe posting here, because of replies they get.

            Control over who can reply to a toot would be amazing, as a way to improve this without them needing to mute or block post-harm.

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            #83

            @neil Mysogeny is a real issue. Anyone can hide behind an interface and abuse others. Basically cowards.

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            • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

              It always makes me sad when another fedi user - and, in my experience, it is always a woman - says that they feel unsafe posting here, because of replies they get.

              Control over who can reply to a toot would be amazing, as a way to improve this without them needing to mute or block post-harm.

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              #84

              @neil

              featured in this thread: People discussing technical solutions to a social and cultural problem

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              • shaulaevans@zirk.usS shaulaevans@zirk.us

                @neil This is one of those cases where it's not really about gender, it's about kyrirarchy, because (for example) people of colour say the same things here.

                We need to find ways to make fedi safe for everyone -- across every axis of social power.

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                #85

                @ShaulaEvans Absolutely!

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                • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                  It always makes me sad when another fedi user - and, in my experience, it is always a woman - says that they feel unsafe posting here, because of replies they get.

                  Control over who can reply to a toot would be amazing, as a way to improve this without them needing to mute or block post-harm.

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                  #86

                  @neil it is the most upvoted issue on mastodon:

                  https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20sort%3Areactions-%2B1-desc

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                  • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                    @u_urban

                    I suspect that the online translation I used is poor, as it makes it sound like you are trivialising the impact of these replies on women, and suggesting that the onus is on them (moving instance, or engaging differently) to solve the problem.

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                    #87

                    @neil @u_urban I speak both languages - you understood the online translation correctly.

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                    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                      @u_urban

                      I suspect that the online translation I used is poor, as it makes it sound like you are trivialising the impact of these replies on women, and suggesting that the onus is on them (moving instance, or engaging differently) to solve the problem.

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                      #88

                      @neil

                      Ich bin Frau und das schon über 70 Jahren.
                      Ich habe meine eigenen Erfahrungen, nicht nur positive.
                      Ich versuche stets die Opferrolle zu vermeiden und selbst aktiv zu sein.
                      Das "Problem" bezog sich spontan nur auf die technische Frage, wie kann ich dafür sorgen, dass nur Follower antworten (können).

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                      • u_urban@social.tchncs.deU u_urban@social.tchncs.de

                        @neil

                        Ich bin Frau und das schon über 70 Jahren.
                        Ich habe meine eigenen Erfahrungen, nicht nur positive.
                        Ich versuche stets die Opferrolle zu vermeiden und selbst aktiv zu sein.
                        Das "Problem" bezog sich spontan nur auf die technische Frage, wie kann ich dafür sorgen, dass nur Follower antworten (können).

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                        #89

                        @u_urban

                        To my mind, it is more than "only followers", but rather then ability to say "no replies" at all.

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                        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #90

                          @jabgoe2089

                          All toots, irrespective of visibility settings.

                          And no just "private replies", but the ability to set "no replies", and "replies only from people that I follow" (and perhaps other levels of control too).

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