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It always makes me sad when another fedi user - and, in my experience, it is always a woman - says that they feel unsafe posting here, because of replies they get.

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  • evdelen@mstdn.caE evdelen@mstdn.ca

    @neil

    I just wanted to draw your attention to some some ways to manage the visibility of a post. Could your outline additional controls which could be established?

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    #15

    @evdelen As you say, that is post visibility, not reply control.

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    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

      It always makes me sad when another fedi user - and, in my experience, it is always a woman - says that they feel unsafe posting here, because of replies they get.

      Control over who can reply to a toot would be amazing, as a way to improve this without them needing to mute or block post-harm.

      edelruth@mastodon.onlineE This user is from outside of this forum
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      #16

      @neil

      There is a word filter system, which is probably not the level of control you are proposing, but it is a real-time start.

      I have the classic insults blocked, but, for cause, sadly.

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      • tony@toot.hoyle.me.ukT tony@toot.hoyle.me.uk

        @neil
        https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/fep-5624-per-object-reply-control-policies/2723

        Bit technical, but it seems good people are on it.

        graue@social.coopG This user is from outside of this forum
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        #17

        @tony @neil At the end of the thread, someone mentions it got stalled for years. There's no prioritization by the Mastodon project. Another ActivityPub project, GoToSocial, went ahead and implemented it, although client support for the option is spotty.

        Mastodon could at least make it so blocking someone hides their reply, when viewed on your own server; that fix was already written back in 2022, and they refuse to explain why they aren't shipping it. https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/18468

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        • edelruth@mastodon.onlineE edelruth@mastodon.online

          @neil

          There is a word filter system, which is probably not the level of control you are proposing, but it is a real-time start.

          I have the classic insults blocked, but, for cause, sadly.

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          #18

          @Edelruth Yes, I filter *a lot*.

          As you say, a useful, tangential, measure.

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          • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

            It always makes me sad when another fedi user - and, in my experience, it is always a woman - says that they feel unsafe posting here, because of replies they get.

            Control over who can reply to a toot would be amazing, as a way to improve this without them needing to mute or block post-harm.

            tknarr@mstdn.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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            #19

            @neil In account settings there's a followers-only option for reply privacy. That's probably what you want.

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            • tknarr@mstdn.socialT tknarr@mstdn.social

              @neil In account settings there's a followers-only option for reply privacy. That's probably what you want.

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              #20

              @tknarr

              Hmm... What setting are you thinking of here, as it doesn't ring a bell?

              It doesn't solve the problem completely, but being able to restrict replies to people I follow would be a great start.

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              • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                @tknarr

                Hmm... What setting are you thinking of here, as it doesn't ring a bell?

                It doesn't solve the problem completely, but being able to restrict replies to people I follow would be a great start.

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                #21

                @tknarr

                Ah, reply privacy, being the visibility level attached to a reply I make.

                No, that is something completely different to controlling what replies I allow to my toots.

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                • tony@toot.hoyle.me.ukT tony@toot.hoyle.me.uk

                  @neil
                  I believe there is a plan to add something like followers only, but one problem is that servers that are not upgraded to a version that supports that flag wouldn't honour it.

                  Not that it's a reason not to do it, but it'll take a while before it's effective.

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                  #22

                  @tony @neil
                  That problem exists for the whole protocol, though. A server can equally well ignore "mentioned only" and show the post on their "local" feed if it wants to.

                  Thus the problem doesn't prevent implementing the feature any more than it prevents the whole fediverse.

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                  • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #23

                    @Natasha_Jay

                    Yes, exactly!

                    And, sure, people can follow whomever they want too.

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                    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                      @tknarr

                      Ah, reply privacy, being the visibility level attached to a reply I make.

                      No, that is something completely different to controlling what replies I allow to my toots.

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                      #24

                      @neil Huh. I thought there was a separate one for replies to your post, not your replies. Sorry, apparently I was wrong.

                      I also don't see anything for limiting visibiility to only those you follow, only to followers. There's an option whether or not to auto-approve followers, you can turn that off to give you control over who can follow you. That seems to be as far as it goes.

                      Going to add my voice to the requests for more reply privacy options.

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                      • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                        It always makes me sad when another fedi user - and, in my experience, it is always a woman - says that they feel unsafe posting here, because of replies they get.

                        Control over who can reply to a toot would be amazing, as a way to improve this without them needing to mute or block post-harm.

                        curiousbadger@mstdn.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #25

                        @neil I've had women say they were leaving things as niche as language exchange apps because of appalling comments. My wife joined a pen-pal, slow delivery, letter-like service and had to leave because of what she got.

                        I honestly don't know what the fuck is wrong with a lot of men.

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                        • curiousbadger@mstdn.socialC curiousbadger@mstdn.social

                          @neil I've had women say they were leaving things as niche as language exchange apps because of appalling comments. My wife joined a pen-pal, slow delivery, letter-like service and had to leave because of what she got.

                          I honestly don't know what the fuck is wrong with a lot of men.

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                          #26

                          @curiousbadger Indeed 😞

                          And this is a (predominantly) men thing, not a tech thing.

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                          • tknarr@mstdn.socialT tknarr@mstdn.social

                            @neil Huh. I thought there was a separate one for replies to your post, not your replies. Sorry, apparently I was wrong.

                            I also don't see anything for limiting visibiility to only those you follow, only to followers. There's an option whether or not to auto-approve followers, you can turn that off to give you control over who can follow you. That seems to be as far as it goes.

                            Going to add my voice to the requests for more reply privacy options.

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                            #27

                            @tknarr It's all good 🙂

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                            • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                              It always makes me sad when another fedi user - and, in my experience, it is always a woman - says that they feel unsafe posting here, because of replies they get.

                              Control over who can reply to a toot would be amazing, as a way to improve this without them needing to mute or block post-harm.

                              electricfusionq@muenchen.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #28

                              @neil Can you in RL control who`s replying to words you said?

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                              • electricfusionq@muenchen.socialE electricfusionq@muenchen.social

                                @neil Can you in RL control who`s replying to words you said?

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                                #29

                                @electricfusionQ

                                RL?

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                                • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                  @electricfusionQ

                                  RL?

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                                  #30

                                  @neil real life

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                                  • electricfusionq@muenchen.socialE electricfusionq@muenchen.social

                                    @neil real life

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                                    #31

                                    @electricfusionQ

                                    This is real life?

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                                    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                      @electricfusionQ

                                      This is real life?

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                                      #32

                                      @neil Then the actual face to face world

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                                      • electricfusionq@muenchen.socialE electricfusionq@muenchen.social

                                        @neil Then the actual face to face world

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                                        #33

                                        @electricfusionQ

                                        Sorry, I think that I am misunderstanding.

                                        Yes, women (and others) get harassed face to face too, and yes, absolutely, men should stop doing that. In the absence of that, we should put safety measures in place.

                                        We have the ability to do different things in different contexts.

                                        If that is what you are saying, then I agree completely.

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                                        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                          It always makes me sad when another fedi user - and, in my experience, it is always a woman - says that they feel unsafe posting here, because of replies they get.

                                          Control over who can reply to a toot would be amazing, as a way to improve this without them needing to mute or block post-harm.

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                                          #34

                                          @neil

                                          Wo ist das Problem, dann muss man halt seinen Beitrag mit der Einstellung "Only Follower" veröffentlichen!
                                          Ist halt schade um die Möglichkeit seine Gedanken in größerer Runde auszutauschen und auf neue interessante Menschen zu treffen!
                                          Vielleicht hilft dann auch der Umzug auf eine andere, kleinere (?) Instanz.
                                          Oft lohnt sich auch die Kommunikation auf die Metaebene zu heben, konnte so schon manches Missverständnis klären!

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