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  • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

    Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

    We have witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

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    @kristiedegaris what we are witnessing in the USA is the behaviour exhibited during the pre Civil Rights era. Jim Crow laws were fascist. When you think the final dismantling of Jim Crow laws didn’t happen until 1968 you realise how supremacist the USA is. And I say is rather than was because those who harboured these views didn’t go away, they just tempered their language and behaviour. They instilled these views through the generations. Trump emboldened them to come out from the shadows.

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    • energisch_@troet.cafeE energisch_@troet.cafe

      Dieser Beitrag wurde gelöscht!

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      #10

      @energisch_ I hope for the same but I also worry so much for everyone putting themselves in harms way to protest and fight this.

      Fascism needs to be stopped before it gets settled and in Europe we still have a samll window of opportunity to do this. Maybe what's happening in the US will provide the motivation. I don't know if it's enough.

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      • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

        @xylophilist Also not a poppy type. I thought the whole point of memorialising was to remember. I feel constantly in shock.

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        #11

        @kristiedegaris It would be nice to think memorializing was a means to (retain) peace, but n'yeah...

        If you wander around town around Nov.11, you find commemoration displays tend to congregate around civic and church organizations - as distinct from, say, a random florist shop or swimming pool - a kind of nexus of tradition (one of my least favourite misfeatures of the human psyche).

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        • lassielmr@mastodon.scotL lassielmr@mastodon.scot

          @kristiedegaris what we are witnessing in the USA is the behaviour exhibited during the pre Civil Rights era. Jim Crow laws were fascist. When you think the final dismantling of Jim Crow laws didn’t happen until 1968 you realise how supremacist the USA is. And I say is rather than was because those who harboured these views didn’t go away, they just tempered their language and behaviour. They instilled these views through the generations. Trump emboldened them to come out from the shadows.

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          #12

          @Lassielmr We're seeing a similar trend of emboldenment in the UK.

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          • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

            @energisch_ I hope for the same but I also worry so much for everyone putting themselves in harms way to protest and fight this.

            Fascism needs to be stopped before it gets settled and in Europe we still have a samll window of opportunity to do this. Maybe what's happening in the US will provide the motivation. I don't know if it's enough.

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            • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

              Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

              We have witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

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              #14

              @kristiedegaris
              Every November, on the 11th, and on Remembrance Sunday, I see the great and the good, some of whom have taken us to war in the past, go through the act of remembering the "War to end wars". And then go back to business as usual and the arms trade and the euphemistically named "Defence Industries" and nothing changes. They are hypocrites, every one of them. I empathise fully with your worries as fascism stalks the world once more. The same old battles generation after generation.

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              • tompearce49@mastodon.scotT tompearce49@mastodon.scot

                @kristiedegaris
                Every November, on the 11th, and on Remembrance Sunday, I see the great and the good, some of whom have taken us to war in the past, go through the act of remembering the "War to end wars". And then go back to business as usual and the arms trade and the euphemistically named "Defence Industries" and nothing changes. They are hypocrites, every one of them. I empathise fully with your worries as fascism stalks the world once more. The same old battles generation after generation.

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                #15

                @tompearce49 I fully agree.

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                • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                  Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                  We have witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

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                  #16

                  @kristiedegaris the worst thing about Nazi Germany is that we tend to think of it as an unthinkable aberation when in fact it IS the way of H. sapiens.

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                  • barrygoldman1@sauropods.winB barrygoldman1@sauropods.win

                    @kristiedegaris the worst thing about Nazi Germany is that we tend to think of it as an unthinkable aberation when in fact it IS the way of H. sapiens.

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                    #17

                    @barrygoldman1 I hope the world gives me a reason to disagree.

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                    • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                      Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                      We have witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

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                      #18

                      @kristiedegaris I don’t think it’s
                      #fascism- it’s rather the tyranny of a madman, a kakistocracy in a kyriarchy. And all of this has its roots in the mentality of the Wild West in the #usa .
                      No one wanted to see that the last 200 years.
                      #minnesota #trumpism #ice

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                        #19
                        What we honestly got wrong was letting them be in the shadows and not pursuing them to the ends of the earth. Will people learn this time? Probably not. We never really do. Fascism will always come back and there will never be much in the way.
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                        • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                          Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                          We have witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

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                          #20

                          @kristiedegaris Why do you think French people have their own everything US ever proposed ?

                          Their general de Gaule, that became president later NEVER forgot the United State did not follow their promise to help them when hitler attacked (some plane where promised from memory).

                          Even if US go out of this ... the world will never forget that the US put a knife in their "allie" back

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                          • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                            Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                            We have witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

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                            #21

                            @kristiedegaris There was a lesson to be learned from the rise & defeat of Nazi Germany.

                            It should've been taken seriously.

                            The people still can. And they should! Their voices & feet in the streets being the weapon of choice to defend their rule, their democracy!

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                            • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                              @barrygoldman1 I hope the world gives me a reason to disagree.

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                              #22

                              @kristiedegaris i think it is healthier for us to understand ourselves rather than hide our heads under the sand! then we could at least try to heal from a place of reality.

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                              • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                                Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                                We have witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

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                                #23

                                @kristiedegaris

                                The last rise of fascism had its funding & inspiration from The Moneyed of the UK & USA.

                                Both empires never got over their hankering for colonialism, slavery & bigotry.

                                Fascism had the same kind of financial backers then as now.

                                1. Hitler got funding from Henry Ford & IG Farben

                                https://washingtonmonthly.com/2025/07/31/hate-speech/

                                https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/ford-and-fuhrer/

                                https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/11/henry-ford-antisemitism-jacob-schiff-money-kings/

                                2. The Duke of Windsor recommended bombing his own former London subjects & sold information on defenses ...

                                1/

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                                • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                                  @kristiedegaris

                                  The last rise of fascism had its funding & inspiration from The Moneyed of the UK & USA.

                                  Both empires never got over their hankering for colonialism, slavery & bigotry.

                                  Fascism had the same kind of financial backers then as now.

                                  1. Hitler got funding from Henry Ford & IG Farben

                                  https://washingtonmonthly.com/2025/07/31/hate-speech/

                                  https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/ford-and-fuhrer/

                                  https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/11/henry-ford-antisemitism-jacob-schiff-money-kings/

                                  2. The Duke of Windsor recommended bombing his own former London subjects & sold information on defenses ...

                                  1/

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                                  #24

                                  2/

                                  ... Franco, Vichy, Salazar, and the Nazis.

                                  https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/the-windsor-file

                                  https://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/the-passionate-eye/historians-believe-the-duke-of-windsor-actively-collaborated-with-the-nazis-during-the-second-world-war-1.6635225

                                  https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/2026/01/david-frum-show-fiona-hill-putin/685690/

                                  https://www.rferl.org/a/trump-board-of-peace-putin-un/33656659.html

                                  3. Standard Oil colluded with the Nazis

                                  https://www.jpost.com/blogs/the-jewish-problem---from-anti-judaism-to-anti-semitism/arming-the-enemy-us-industry-hitler-and-the-holocaust-366097

                                  https://royaldutchshellplc.com/2025/10/14/shells-dark-fuel-the-nazi-past-the-oil-giant-couldnt-bury/

                                  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/17/dark-money-review-nazi-oil-the-koch-brothers-and-a-rightwing-revolution

                                  https://massivesci.com/articles/fossil-fuel-industry-oil-gas-white-supremacy/

                                  https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/20/us/politics/koch-network-2024-election-trump.html

                                  4. Six newspaper moguls promoted the Axis. So did radio.
                                  https://aspectsofhistory.com/book_reviews/the-newspaper-axis-by-kathryn-a-olmsted/

                                  https://thebostonsun.com/2022/11/17/the-nazis-of-copley-square-a-talk-by-charles-gallagher/

                                  https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/18/opinion/larry-ellison-paramount-cbs-tiktok.html

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                                  • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                                    2/

                                    ... Franco, Vichy, Salazar, and the Nazis.

                                    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/the-windsor-file

                                    https://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/the-passionate-eye/historians-believe-the-duke-of-windsor-actively-collaborated-with-the-nazis-during-the-second-world-war-1.6635225

                                    https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/2026/01/david-frum-show-fiona-hill-putin/685690/

                                    https://www.rferl.org/a/trump-board-of-peace-putin-un/33656659.html

                                    3. Standard Oil colluded with the Nazis

                                    https://www.jpost.com/blogs/the-jewish-problem---from-anti-judaism-to-anti-semitism/arming-the-enemy-us-industry-hitler-and-the-holocaust-366097

                                    https://royaldutchshellplc.com/2025/10/14/shells-dark-fuel-the-nazi-past-the-oil-giant-couldnt-bury/

                                    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/17/dark-money-review-nazi-oil-the-koch-brothers-and-a-rightwing-revolution

                                    https://massivesci.com/articles/fossil-fuel-industry-oil-gas-white-supremacy/

                                    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/20/us/politics/koch-network-2024-election-trump.html

                                    4. Six newspaper moguls promoted the Axis. So did radio.
                                    https://aspectsofhistory.com/book_reviews/the-newspaper-axis-by-kathryn-a-olmsted/

                                    https://thebostonsun.com/2022/11/17/the-nazis-of-copley-square-a-talk-by-charles-gallagher/

                                    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/18/opinion/larry-ellison-paramount-cbs-tiktok.html

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                                    3/

                                    5. Every international institution had embedded Nazi quislings & collaborators
                                    https://www.borowitzreport.com/p/introducing-tbrs-traitor-of-the-week

                                    https://variety.com/2025/film/global/goteborg-quisling-erik-poppe-toronto-anders-danielsen-lie-1236283530/

                                    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/us-politics/article-mcconnell-blocks-election-security-bill-hours-after-muellers/

                                    https://www.npr.org/2019/09/20/762499808/senate-breaks-logjam-on-election-security-cash-but-activists-say-more-is-needed

                                    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/inside-the-koch-backed-effort-to-block-the-largest-election-reform-bill-in-half-a-century

                                    6. Switzerland, Sweden, & Bank of England laundered looted gold.

                                    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-23513654

                                    https://www.rferl.org/a/1083119.html

                                    https://www.economist.com/europe/1998/07/02/swiss-banks-and-nazi-gold

                                    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/23/us/politics/sec-crypto-winklevoss.html

                                    https://gizmodo.com/the-winklevoss-twins-are-eyeing-2-22-billion-crypto-ipo-2000652038

                                    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/24/repatriate-the-gold-german-economists-advise-withdrawal-from-us-vaults

                                    https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/

                                    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/03/trump-media-es-family-trust-2022-loans

                                    https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/23/pardon-binance-founder-cz-trump.html

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                                    • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                                      Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                                      We have witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

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                                      @kristiedegaris Mainly as tourist wife and me travelled a lot all over the UK, for 44 years now. There is a lot of Bad, but also Good. After Maggie, things did not improve for commoners. But we saw local social networks getting stronger. Through church, clubs, places-to-meet and talk and stay warm. Finally see that happening in The Netherlands too . There is lot of noise. That is not where it is happening.
                                      It is just there where it is needed.
                                      "To be the grain of sand building the dyke ".

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                                      • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                                        Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                                        We have witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

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                                        @kristiedegaris Very well said, I agree totally, and you have a new follower.

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                                        • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                                          Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                                          We have witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

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                                          It's not that nothing stood in its way. It took decades, and a lot had to be changed to get here.
                                          There is a segment of the population that has always wanted this and is loving it now. We allowed our safeguards against these people to be taken down.

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