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  • aho@ioc.exchangeA aho@ioc.exchange

    @kristiedegaris they said never again after first world war... sadly we are not capable to keep your word when it comes to politics 😞

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    #3

    @aho Yes, we've had many opportunities to say 'never again'.

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    • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

      Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

      We have witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

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      @kristiedegaris The lip-service becomes ceremonialized (becomes misunderstood) becomes a stance in its own right becomes the next cycle of aggression and revenge.

      (FWIW this is why I'm a not-even-white poppy type; nothing about the story of war, before/during/aftermath, deserves respect or amplification.)

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      • xylophilist@mastodon.onlineX xylophilist@mastodon.online

        @kristiedegaris The lip-service becomes ceremonialized (becomes misunderstood) becomes a stance in its own right becomes the next cycle of aggression and revenge.

        (FWIW this is why I'm a not-even-white poppy type; nothing about the story of war, before/during/aftermath, deserves respect or amplification.)

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        @xylophilist Also not a poppy type. I thought the whole point of memorialising was to remember. I feel constantly in shock.

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        • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

          Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

          We have witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

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          @kristiedegaris It took me a long time to realize that some people weren't mad at Hitler for what he'd done, but rather that he failed.

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          • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

            Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

            We have witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

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            #7

            @kristiedegaris

            What every US citizen can simply do NOW

            we #US citizens need to immediately demand
            our #Congress impeach and convict Trump asap,
            or be #primaried by those who will
            write/phone/email/scream outside their offices

            find those candidates https://www.citizensimpeachment.com/
            https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative

            contact your congressional representatives asap (before
            the primaries) to demand the return of our country, that
            they immediately impeach Trump! and Spread the word!

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            • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

              Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

              We have witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

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              • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                We have witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

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                @kristiedegaris what we are witnessing in the USA is the behaviour exhibited during the pre Civil Rights era. Jim Crow laws were fascist. When you think the final dismantling of Jim Crow laws didn’t happen until 1968 you realise how supremacist the USA is. And I say is rather than was because those who harboured these views didn’t go away, they just tempered their language and behaviour. They instilled these views through the generations. Trump emboldened them to come out from the shadows.

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                • energisch_@troet.cafeE energisch_@troet.cafe

                  Dieser Beitrag wurde gelöscht!

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                  @energisch_ I hope for the same but I also worry so much for everyone putting themselves in harms way to protest and fight this.

                  Fascism needs to be stopped before it gets settled and in Europe we still have a samll window of opportunity to do this. Maybe what's happening in the US will provide the motivation. I don't know if it's enough.

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                  • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                    @xylophilist Also not a poppy type. I thought the whole point of memorialising was to remember. I feel constantly in shock.

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                    @kristiedegaris It would be nice to think memorializing was a means to (retain) peace, but n'yeah...

                    If you wander around town around Nov.11, you find commemoration displays tend to congregate around civic and church organizations - as distinct from, say, a random florist shop or swimming pool - a kind of nexus of tradition (one of my least favourite misfeatures of the human psyche).

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                    • lassielmr@mastodon.scotL lassielmr@mastodon.scot

                      @kristiedegaris what we are witnessing in the USA is the behaviour exhibited during the pre Civil Rights era. Jim Crow laws were fascist. When you think the final dismantling of Jim Crow laws didn’t happen until 1968 you realise how supremacist the USA is. And I say is rather than was because those who harboured these views didn’t go away, they just tempered their language and behaviour. They instilled these views through the generations. Trump emboldened them to come out from the shadows.

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                      @Lassielmr We're seeing a similar trend of emboldenment in the UK.

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                      • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                        @energisch_ I hope for the same but I also worry so much for everyone putting themselves in harms way to protest and fight this.

                        Fascism needs to be stopped before it gets settled and in Europe we still have a samll window of opportunity to do this. Maybe what's happening in the US will provide the motivation. I don't know if it's enough.

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                        • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                          Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                          We have witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

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                          @kristiedegaris
                          Every November, on the 11th, and on Remembrance Sunday, I see the great and the good, some of whom have taken us to war in the past, go through the act of remembering the "War to end wars". And then go back to business as usual and the arms trade and the euphemistically named "Defence Industries" and nothing changes. They are hypocrites, every one of them. I empathise fully with your worries as fascism stalks the world once more. The same old battles generation after generation.

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                          • tompearce49@mastodon.scotT tompearce49@mastodon.scot

                            @kristiedegaris
                            Every November, on the 11th, and on Remembrance Sunday, I see the great and the good, some of whom have taken us to war in the past, go through the act of remembering the "War to end wars". And then go back to business as usual and the arms trade and the euphemistically named "Defence Industries" and nothing changes. They are hypocrites, every one of them. I empathise fully with your worries as fascism stalks the world once more. The same old battles generation after generation.

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                            @tompearce49 I fully agree.

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                            • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                              Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                              We have witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

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                              #16

                              @kristiedegaris the worst thing about Nazi Germany is that we tend to think of it as an unthinkable aberation when in fact it IS the way of H. sapiens.

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                              • barrygoldman1@sauropods.winB barrygoldman1@sauropods.win

                                @kristiedegaris the worst thing about Nazi Germany is that we tend to think of it as an unthinkable aberation when in fact it IS the way of H. sapiens.

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                                @barrygoldman1 I hope the world gives me a reason to disagree.

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                                • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                                  Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                                  We have witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

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                                  @kristiedegaris I don’t think it’s
                                  #fascism- it’s rather the tyranny of a madman, a kakistocracy in a kyriarchy. And all of this has its roots in the mentality of the Wild West in the #usa .
                                  No one wanted to see that the last 200 years.
                                  #minnesota #trumpism #ice

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                                    What we honestly got wrong was letting them be in the shadows and not pursuing them to the ends of the earth. Will people learn this time? Probably not. We never really do. Fascism will always come back and there will never be much in the way.
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                                    • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                                      Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                                      We have witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

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                                      @kristiedegaris Why do you think French people have their own everything US ever proposed ?

                                      Their general de Gaule, that became president later NEVER forgot the United State did not follow their promise to help them when hitler attacked (some plane where promised from memory).

                                      Even if US go out of this ... the world will never forget that the US put a knife in their "allie" back

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                                      • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                                        Since the Second World War, we've said 'never again' like we were casting a spell of guarantee. But 'never again' was a commitment, and we did not keep it.

                                        We have witnessed the rise of fascism in the United States, and the most disturbing part is that almost nothing stood in its way.

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                                        @kristiedegaris There was a lesson to be learned from the rise & defeat of Nazi Germany.

                                        It should've been taken seriously.

                                        The people still can. And they should! Their voices & feet in the streets being the weapon of choice to defend their rule, their democracy!

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                                        • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                                          @barrygoldman1 I hope the world gives me a reason to disagree.

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                                          @kristiedegaris i think it is healthier for us to understand ourselves rather than hide our heads under the sand! then we could at least try to heal from a place of reality.

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