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  • coldfish@sfba.socialC coldfish@sfba.social

    @wizzwizz4 @davidrevoy really??? Dammit. I was enjoying this thing

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    #51

    @coldfish @wizzwizz4 @davidrevoy try @zenbrowser based on Firefox with a policy of removing any AI functionality that is added

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    • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

      Mozilla right now.

      #firefox #mozilla

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      #52

      @davidrevoy so sad

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      • rival@mastodon.socialR rival@mastodon.social

        @Zekovski @Johns_priv @OndrejZizka Hi, which one is that?
        Thanks in advance. 🙏

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        #53

        @rival @Johns_priv @OndrejZizka
        I understand you are asking for a source ? So that's what I will answer.

        I've been looking for it quickly but can't find. Maybe I mixed it up with something else.
        I could read the TOS when I have the time if you insist.

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        • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

          Mozilla right now.

          #firefox #mozilla

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          #54

          @davidrevoy it’s tragic

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          • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

            Mozilla right now.

            #firefox #mozilla

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            #55
            @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
            "Wow nice chainsaw you have in there..." 😅
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            • pmiossec@piaille.frP pmiossec@piaille.fr

              @Kampfdiestel @Gynux @davidrevoy there is (maybe) some hope with that https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115740500373677782 (and this kill switch will maybe make the job to remove it easier) but the worst thing is that (a good part of) the remaining FF devs will spend a lot of time on these features instead of improving more important things...

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              #56

              @pmiossec
              That's not true Philippe. We're hiring to work on these things, this means this doesn't change what the other engineers are working on. You could say that this money could be used elsewhere, sure, but still I hope this reduces your concern.
              @Kampfdiestel @Gynux @davidrevoy

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              • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                Mozilla right now.

                #firefox #mozilla

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                #57

                @davidrevoy I'm sure all Mozilla's strategy is not in any way an intentional act of self-sabotage coincident with a period of minimal regulatory oversight.

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                • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                  Mozilla right now.

                  #firefox #mozilla

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                  elgregor@social.librem.one
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                  #58

                  @davidrevoy I actually like how Firefox has handled AI - small local models, no spying to train AI on my data. For users who insist on using a mainstream online chatbot, it lets them do it without forcing it on others. (And there are more such users than I thought. People who I thought are way too computer illiterate to use AI surprised me by using ChatGPT.)

                  Firefox lets me translate text locally without big tech spying on my translations. Is this bad because it happens to use neural networks?

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                  • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                    Mozilla right now.

                    #firefox #mozilla

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                    #59

                    @davidrevoy I already moved to LibreWolf on my desktop, but I'm still looking for an alternative for Firefox on my phone.

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                    • isukun@tkz.oneI isukun@tkz.one

                      @OndrejZizka @davidrevoy

                      A couple of years before, Google was saying things like "Don't be Evil" while promoting a good internet for the users. Today Google is one of the biggest evil tech empire of the world.

                      I understand the idea of believing in something based on the experience, but everything can change and it's not bad to be aware of some things like the decisions Mozilla is doing these days.

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                      #60

                      @isukun @davidrevoy Luckily, Firefox is Foss, and if Mozilla screws up, other organizations may make a fork and do better (with less profit). EU could surely fund it.

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                      • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                        Mozilla right now.

                        #firefox #mozilla

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                        #61

                        @davidrevoy Perfect. Absolutely perfect. 😂

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                        • dregntael@dice.campD dregntael@dice.camp

                          @davidrevoy I already moved to LibreWolf on my desktop, but I'm still looking for an alternative for Firefox on my phone.

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                          #62

                          @davidrevoy I'm currently trying out WebLibre (https://docs.weblibre.eu/), it's nice so far.

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                          • johns_priv@mastodon.socialJ johns_priv@mastodon.social

                            @OndrejZizka You mean like when they changed their TOS so they could do whatever they want with your data? (https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/02/firefox-deletes-promise-to-never-sell-personal-data-asks-users-not-to-panic/)

                            That was when I abandoned them for Waterfox and never looked back.

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                            #63

                            @Johns_priv This is Google deciding that maybe their slogan shouldn’t be “don’t be evil” in 2018 all over again. @OndrejZizka

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                            • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                              Mozilla right now.

                              #firefox #mozilla

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                              #64

                              @davidrevoy or capitalism overall.

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                              • dregntael@dice.campD dregntael@dice.camp

                                @davidrevoy I already moved to LibreWolf on my desktop, but I'm still looking for an alternative for Firefox on my phone.

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                                #65

                                @dregntael @davidrevoy I don't know if it's the best thing out there, but I've had decent luck so far with Waterfox.

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                                • ocramius@mastodon.socialO ocramius@mastodon.social

                                  @davidrevoy posting this here, just because there's still hope: https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115740501470592801

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                                  #66

                                  @ocramius @davidrevoy Hope is one thing, but we're not worried about whether they *will* do the wrong thing in the future. They've already done it. We've been watching them do the wrong thing in real time ever since they put AI "help" in MDN, and since then they've done nothing but lean further into AI hype and dismiss any criticism.

                                  This is what happens when your "nonprofit" gets all its money from its for-profit subsidiary. Investors love AI. Doesn't matter that they're the only ones.

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                                  • kampfdiestel@mastodon.socialK kampfdiestel@mastodon.social

                                    @Gynux @davidrevoy
                                    does disabling via about:config no longer work?

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                                    #67

                                    @Kampfdiestel
                                    In FF 145.0.1, just right-click anywhere, in the menue item "AI shit" i had "disable AI"
                                    @Gynux @davidrevoy

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                                    • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                      Mozilla right now.

                                      #firefox #mozilla

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                                      #68

                                      @davidrevoy Yep. As a user since before it was Firefox, it’s totally disappointing.

                                      And another in a long line decisions messing around with the frills while not dealing with the core product.

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                                      • coldfish@sfba.socialC coldfish@sfba.social

                                        @davidrevoy I changed to Brave and it's very nice..... but the default search engine still has some AI stuff, but DuckDuckGo is still there.

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                                        #69

                                        @coldfish @davidrevoy
                                        If you're gonna use anything Chromium-based, stick to something barebones, like ungoogled.

                                        Given that Brave's queerphobic CEO was actually the co-founder of Mozilla (EDIT: noticed somebody in the replies already pointed that out in some way or form), you could argue he's basically everything that's wrong with current day Mozilla but multiplied by two.

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                                        • cosmichorror@fosstodon.orgC cosmichorror@fosstodon.org

                                          @wizzwizz4 @coldfish @davidrevoy ironically he was also the CEO of Mozilla... for like a month

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                                          #70

                                          @CosmicHorror @wizzwizz4 @coldfish @davidrevoy 11 days. He had donated money to the campaign for Prop 8, a 2008 California referendum to ban same-sex marriage https://www.kqed.org/news/131545/mozilla-ceo-resigns-over-donation-to-prop-8-campaign

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