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  • hennavirkkunen@ec.social-network.europa.euH hennavirkkunen@ec.social-network.europa.eu

    Territorial integrity and sovereignty are fundamental principles of international law. They are essential for Europe and for the international community as a whole.

    Joint statement by President von der Leyen and President Costa on Greenland: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_26_143

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    #10

    @HennaVirkkunen Now would be a great time to reconsider any pending or existing contracts with US tech companies.

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    • hennavirkkunen@ec.social-network.europa.euH hennavirkkunen@ec.social-network.europa.eu

      Territorial integrity and sovereignty are fundamental principles of international law. They are essential for Europe and for the international community as a whole.

      Joint statement by President von der Leyen and President Costa on Greenland: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_26_143

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      #11

      @HennaVirkkunen „[…] and we are committed to building on the process begun already last week between the Kingdom of Denmark and the US.“

      I would not have put this sentence into the statement.

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      • hennavirkkunen@ec.social-network.europa.euH hennavirkkunen@ec.social-network.europa.eu

        Territorial integrity and sovereignty are fundamental principles of international law. They are essential for Europe and for the international community as a whole.

        Joint statement by President von der Leyen and President Costa on Greenland: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_26_143

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        @HennaVirkkunen Fundamental question:

        Since EU upholds legislation that protects US companies, for the favour of not having #tariffs, why are we still holding on to those protections when we have tariffs slapped on our faces anyway? 🤔

        I refer you to @pluralistic who foresaw this and what we should do, at his lecture in 39c3 in Hamburg, just a month ago.

        https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-a-post-american-enshittification-resistant-internet

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        • gimulnautti@mastodon.greenG gimulnautti@mastodon.green

          @HennaVirkkunen Fundamental question:

          Since EU upholds legislation that protects US companies, for the favour of not having #tariffs, why are we still holding on to those protections when we have tariffs slapped on our faces anyway? 🤔

          I refer you to @pluralistic who foresaw this and what we should do, at his lecture in 39c3 in Hamburg, just a month ago.

          https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-a-post-american-enshittification-resistant-internet

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          #13

          @gimulnautti @HennaVirkkunen @pluralistic
          Oikein hyvä kysymys!

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          • gimulnautti@mastodon.greenG gimulnautti@mastodon.green

            @HennaVirkkunen Fundamental question:

            Since EU upholds legislation that protects US companies, for the favour of not having #tariffs, why are we still holding on to those protections when we have tariffs slapped on our faces anyway? 🤔

            I refer you to @pluralistic who foresaw this and what we should do, at his lecture in 39c3 in Hamburg, just a month ago.

            https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-a-post-american-enshittification-resistant-internet

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            #14

            @gimulnautti @HennaVirkkunen @pluralistic

            This is absolutely the right question to ask.

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            • stuart@social.brainsys.comS stuart@social.brainsys.com

              @HennaVirkkunen

              Problem is that if respect for International Law shrinks to the EU and a few outliers - it isn't very international.

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              #15

              @stuart @HennaVirkkunen

              Democratic countries (not counting the US here) consist of around half of the worlds GDP

              Yes losing the US in this sense is a big loss, but they aren’t the majority of the world.

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              • gimulnautti@mastodon.greenG gimulnautti@mastodon.green

                @HennaVirkkunen Fundamental question:

                Since EU upholds legislation that protects US companies, for the favour of not having #tariffs, why are we still holding on to those protections when we have tariffs slapped on our faces anyway? 🤔

                I refer you to @pluralistic who foresaw this and what we should do, at his lecture in 39c3 in Hamburg, just a month ago.

                https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-a-post-american-enshittification-resistant-internet

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                #16

                @gimulnautti @HennaVirkkunen @pluralistic @RichardJMurphy

                According to Richard Murphy, threats to Greenland present an opportunity for strategic reassessment while US dependencies create leverage that Europe needs to acknowledge and use.

                https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2026/01/18/can-europe-rise-to-the-us-challenge/

                #tariffs #nato #europe #eu #greenland #denmark #germany #france #uk #italy #poland #sovereignty

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                • joschi64@hessen.socialJ joschi64@hessen.social

                  @stuart @HennaVirkkunen yes, that really is a problem, but what is the alternative? Throwing our democratic values overboard and do the same?
                  They would win and we would lose all we’ve reached so far.

                  Not a good alternative.

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                  #17

                  @joschi64 @HennaVirkkunen

                  I was pointing to the fact that international law is irrelevant if you now expect the USA to respect it.

                  This is now a case of what we believe in. Is it comfort for us or the right of self-determination for others?

                  That's a hard and expensive question to answer. I hope we stand by that and elements within GOP recognise it too and reign in their President. I don't want to think about the alternative.

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                  • szbalint@x0r.beS szbalint@x0r.be

                    @stuart @HennaVirkkunen

                    Democratic countries (not counting the US here) consist of around half of the worlds GDP

                    Yes losing the US in this sense is a big loss, but they aren’t the majority of the world.

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                    #18

                    @szbalint @HennaVirkkunen

                    Without the US there is no NATO. Kill switches on US supplied weapons means we have little defence. European countries are totally exposed.

                    Closedown by US owned clouds would make government systems dysfunctional. Mass unemployment as a result of tariffs empowers the fascist right.

                    Major or terminal?

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                    • stuart@social.brainsys.comS stuart@social.brainsys.com

                      @joschi64 @HennaVirkkunen

                      I was pointing to the fact that international law is irrelevant if you now expect the USA to respect it.

                      This is now a case of what we believe in. Is it comfort for us or the right of self-determination for others?

                      That's a hard and expensive question to answer. I hope we stand by that and elements within GOP recognise it too and reign in their President. I don't want to think about the alternative.

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                      • stuart@social.brainsys.comS stuart@social.brainsys.com

                        @szbalint @HennaVirkkunen

                        Without the US there is no NATO. Kill switches on US supplied weapons means we have little defence. European countries are totally exposed.

                        Closedown by US owned clouds would make government systems dysfunctional. Mass unemployment as a result of tariffs empowers the fascist right.

                        Major or terminal?

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                        • richlv@mastodon.socialR richlv@mastodon.social

                          @HennaVirkkunen The double space in "between the Kingdom of Denmark" would be great to fix.

                          This could also serve as a test whether anybody reads the replies to this account 😉

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                          • sonjdol@ohai.socialS sonjdol@ohai.social

                            @HennaVirkkunen Yes, but I guess this means war.

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                            • me@edafe.socialM me@edafe.social

                              @gimulnautti @HennaVirkkunen @pluralistic @RichardJMurphy

                              According to Richard Murphy, threats to Greenland present an opportunity for strategic reassessment while US dependencies create leverage that Europe needs to acknowledge and use.

                              https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2026/01/18/can-europe-rise-to-the-us-challenge/

                              #tariffs #nato #europe #eu #greenland #denmark #germany #france #uk #italy #poland #sovereignty

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                              • energisch_@troet.cafeE energisch_@troet.cafe

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                                @energisch_ Sorry, not sure whether that was quite on topic - what exactly did you intend to reply to and.or suggest?

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                                • richlv@mastodon.socialR richlv@mastodon.social

                                  @energisch_ Sorry, not sure whether that was quite on topic - what exactly did you intend to reply to and.or suggest?

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                                  • hennavirkkunen@ec.social-network.europa.euH hennavirkkunen@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                                    Territorial integrity and sovereignty are fundamental principles of international law. They are essential for Europe and for the international community as a whole.

                                    Joint statement by President von der Leyen and President Costa on Greenland: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_26_143

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                                    #26

                                    @HennaVirkkunen Welcome on the fediverse! I hope you convince more of your colleague to make the move and leave X (or only repost there). Democracy needs sovereignty.

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                                    • joschi64@hessen.socialJ joschi64@hessen.social

                                      @stuart @HennaVirkkunen yes, that really is a problem, but what is the alternative? Throwing our democratic values overboard and do the same?
                                      They would win and we would lose all we’ve reached so far.

                                      Not a good alternative.

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                                      @joschi64 @stuart @HennaVirkkunen What democratic values? Those that drown children in the Mediterranean? Or the ones mandating Chat Control so no private digital communications in Europe? Those ones?

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                                      • mojala@mastodon.onlineM mojala@mastodon.online

                                        @joschi64 @stuart @HennaVirkkunen What democratic values? Those that drown children in the Mediterranean? Or the ones mandating Chat Control so no private digital communications in Europe? Those ones?

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                                        @mojala @joschi64 @HennaVirkkunen

                                        I agree and all of us could add a 100 more democratic failures without breaking sweat.

                                        But, imho, Democracy had one redeeming feature. The ability to change government without a civil war - or worse. Also to correct, in time, the worst faults.

                                        'Had' because it failed in Germany in 1933 and we have to wait and see if it failed America in 2020. The fault is if you elect fascists you get fascism.

                                        Democratic Fascism is an oxymoron.

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                                        • stuart@social.brainsys.comS stuart@social.brainsys.com

                                          @HennaVirkkunen

                                          Problem is that if respect for International Law shrinks to the EU and a few outliers - it isn't very international.

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                                          @stuart @HennaVirkkunen

                                          Absolutely.. Everything will work only if all the players play the same game with the same rules.

                                          And clearly that is not the case.

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