Time for a #discord alternatives thread, for no particular reason.

@mdiluz
Hmm. I haven't done a fresh install this decade, but I was under the expression that it was still possible somehow. Just that their install wizard etc push you to "free" or one of the paid plans.

@mdiluz finding out that MM has accepted YC funding and is a US based company makes me less confident about it having a sustainable place in community future

Also this, ew: https://tech.lgbt/@alxndr/116047470479051482

@mdiluz
I also get some updates now and then on the github issue about the install wizard insisting on agreeing to their cloud dara policy, something that there are workarounds for. Also a self-hosting hostile thing, for which we probably cannot agree to due to legal reasons (and don't need to for self-hosted, it's all about their cloud services). But there is a wizard=done workaround

It is rather sad, because for a while up until about 2024 they had self-hostable or hosted by them options.

@maswan honestly I'm quite surprised there's no community fork maintained just yet, seems ripe for the taking

@mdiluz Yeah, I am too. I rate the chat itself very favorable to slack and mattermost from a user experience.

I guess the code is really hard to package and maintain, maybe on purpose.

@xurizaemon oh good point, I should really have been looking into which ones were european too!

@mdiluz well

@mdiluz y'all know there's a southern hemisphere right

@mdiluz y'all know there's folks not white right

@mdiluz sorry i'm just joshing but yeah, it's not a US/EU binary out here!

@mdiluz I agree, where these projects are situated is relevant

@xurizaemon haha you're on the money tho for real!

@mdiluz every "coming summer" marketing piece reminds me that even "earth no longer flat" is having a hard time in the marketplace of ideas