Time for a #discord alternatives thread, for no particular reason.
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@coffeegm well I have to say this is one of the most fishy things a website has ever asked me
@mdiluz Oof, I haven't tried accessing the website from a mobile device so that's the first time I've seen it too. Weird.
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@darkuncle it's an interesting point for sure. I think the management of multiple channels (most of the time 10+) is quite key. That's kind of what separates these tools out from Signal, Telegram, Threema, etc.
@mdiluz I miss IRC sometimes, but I really do like the introduction of GIFs, reactions, etc. that have made chat a richer experience in the past 30 years
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Mattermost sometimes comes up
* Fully released
* Limited free use*
* "Open core"?
* Self-hostable
* Some E2E?
* Supports calls
* No web app (*correction: appears to have one)Mattermost is interesting, but seems to be far more of an enterprise solution. It's even hard to figure out *what* you get from self hosting, what actually is open source, etc.
I think it's probably worth investigating further if you're looking for something for your company/teams?
@mdiluz MM has a web app (= you can use browser, or you can use mobile client) , appears to have been a decent choice for one project I'm adjacent to (~3K users), hasn't yet done any extractive shit to them *that I'm aware of*
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@maswan tbf might be that https://github.com/RocketChat/rocketchat-compose doesn't allow the "community" edition easilt
@mdiluz
Hmm. I haven't done a fresh install this decade, but I was under the expression that it was still possible somehow. Just that their install wizard etc push you to "free" or one of the paid plans. -
@mdiluz MM has a web app (= you can use browser, or you can use mobile client) , appears to have been a decent choice for one project I'm adjacent to (~3K users), hasn't yet done any extractive shit to them *that I'm aware of*
@mdiluz finding out that MM has accepted YC funding and is a US based company makes me less confident about it having a sustainable place in community future
Also this, ew: https://tech.lgbt/@alxndr/116047470479051482
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@maswan tbf might be that https://github.com/RocketChat/rocketchat-compose doesn't allow the "community" edition easilt
@mdiluz
I also get some updates now and then on the github issue about the install wizard insisting on agreeing to their cloud dara policy, something that there are workarounds for. Also a self-hosting hostile thing, for which we probably cannot agree to due to legal reasons (and don't need to for self-hosted, it's all about their cloud services). But there is a wizard=done workaroundIt is rather sad, because for a while up until about 2024 they had self-hostable or hosted by them options.
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@mdiluz
I also get some updates now and then on the github issue about the install wizard insisting on agreeing to their cloud dara policy, something that there are workarounds for. Also a self-hosting hostile thing, for which we probably cannot agree to due to legal reasons (and don't need to for self-hosted, it's all about their cloud services). But there is a wizard=done workaroundIt is rather sad, because for a while up until about 2024 they had self-hostable or hosted by them options.
@maswan honestly I'm quite surprised there's no community fork maintained just yet, seems ripe for the taking
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@maswan honestly I'm quite surprised there's no community fork maintained just yet, seems ripe for the taking
@mdiluz Yeah, I am too. I rate the chat itself very favorable to slack and mattermost from a user experience.
I guess the code is really hard to package and maintain, maybe on purpose.
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@mdiluz finding out that MM has accepted YC funding and is a US based company makes me less confident about it having a sustainable place in community future
Also this, ew: https://tech.lgbt/@alxndr/116047470479051482
@xurizaemon oh good point, I should really have been looking into which ones were european too!
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@xurizaemon oh good point, I should really have been looking into which ones were european too!
@mdiluz well
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@mdiluz well
@mdiluz y'all know there's a southern hemisphere right
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@mdiluz y'all know there's a southern hemisphere right
@mdiluz y'all know there's folks not white right
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@mdiluz y'all know there's folks not white right
@mdiluz sorry i'm just joshing but yeah, it's not a US/EU binary out here!
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@mdiluz sorry i'm just joshing but yeah, it's not a US/EU binary out here!
@mdiluz I agree, where these projects are situated is relevant
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@mdiluz sorry i'm just joshing but yeah, it's not a US/EU binary out here!
@xurizaemon haha you're on the money tho for real!
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@xurizaemon haha you're on the money tho for real!
@mdiluz every "coming summer" marketing piece reminds me that even "earth no longer flat" is having a hard time in the marketplace of ideas
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