Time for a #discord alternatives thread, for no particular reason.

@mdiluz Thank you for the list! I'd like to bring your attention to Fluxer, which is a clone of Discord. Like, almost identical. And they have their own version of Nitro but at the old price point of Nitro when Discord started.

@coffeegm nice, first I've heard. I'll.check it out and add to the thread

@coffeegm well I have to say this is one of the most fishy things a website has ever asked me

@darkuncle it's an interesting point for sure. I think the management of multiple channels (most of the time 10+) is quite key. That's kind of what separates these tools out from Signal, Telegram, Threema, etc.

Mattermost sometimes comes up

* Fully released
* Limited free use*
* "Open core"?
* Self-hostable
* Some E2E?
* Supports calls
* No web app (*correction: appears to have one)

Mattermost is interesting, but seems to be far more of an enterprise solution. It's even hard to figure out *what* you get from self hosting, what actually is open source, etc.

I think it's probably worth investigating further if you're looking for something for your company/teams?

@maswan tbf might be that https://github.com/RocketChat/rocketchat-compose doesn't allow the "community" edition easilt

@mdiluz MM has a web app (= you can use browser, or you can use mobile client) , appears to have been a decent choice for one project I'm adjacent to (~3K users), hasn't yet done any extractive shit to them *that I'm aware of*

@maswan tbf might be that https://github.com/RocketChat/rocketchat-compose doesn't allow the "community" edition easilt

@mdiluz
I also get some updates now and then on the github issue about the install wizard insisting on agreeing to their cloud dara policy, something that there are workarounds for. Also a self-hosting hostile thing, for which we probably cannot agree to due to legal reasons (and don't need to for self-hosted, it's all about their cloud services). But there is a wizard=done workaround

It is rather sad, because for a while up until about 2024 they had self-hostable or hosted by them options.

@maswan honestly I'm quite surprised there's no community fork maintained just yet, seems ripe for the taking

@mdiluz finding out that MM has accepted YC funding and is a US based company makes me less confident about it having a sustainable place in community future

Also this, ew: https://tech.lgbt/@alxndr/116047470479051482

@xurizaemon oh good point, I should really have been looking into which ones were european too!

@mdiluz well

@mdiluz y'all know there's a southern hemisphere right

@mdiluz y'all know there's folks not white right

@mdiluz sorry i'm just joshing but yeah, it's not a US/EU binary out here!

@mdiluz sorry i'm just joshing but yeah, it's not a US/EU binary out here!

@xurizaemon haha you're on the money tho for real!