From this side of the Atlantic (the UK side) it looks like the US is slipping towards civil war, goaded on by a President wanting to invoke the Insurrection Act as a way of militarising his political power.

From this side of the Atlantic (the UK side) it looks like the US is slipping towards civil war, goaded on by a President wanting to invoke the Insurrection Act as a way of militarising his political power.

I'd be interested if followers of these posts in the US think the same or whether the media's distorting mirror is deceiving us about the gravity of the situation...

(Civil) analysis & contextual answers boosted & thanks in advance for sharing.

#USPol #Trump #InsurectionAct

@ChrisMayLA6 since he came to power this time I have been sure that by the end of his term they would be at war and he would pause the elections until it was "resolved".
"I'm just doing what Ukraine did and you all supported that .. "

@nikatjef So you can't identify any specific judgment, and you offer zero evidence that the courts would ignore a conviction at impeachment.

I get why you are v worried, but if you want to make a serious contribution to a discussion about the actions of a court, that needs identifiable rulings.

@Mschatelaine @alex_p_roe @EvelineSulman @Mattrog @ChrisMayLA6

@lukeryanps

I'm interested in the idea of self-correction - from here it looks like the forces with & behind Trump are seeking to ensure such a self-correction is not possible.... are you saying that is a misapprehension?

@nikatjef So you can't identify any specific judgment, and you offer zero evidence that the courts would ignore a conviction at impeachment.

I get why you are v worried, but if you want to make a serious contribution to a discussion about the actions of a court, that needs identifiable rulings.

@Mschatelaine @alex_p_roe @EvelineSulman @Mattrog @ChrisMayLA6

From this side of the Atlantic (the UK side) it looks like the US is slipping towards civil war, goaded on by a President wanting to invoke the Insurrection Act as a way of militarising his political power.

I'd be interested if followers of these posts in the US think the same or whether the media's distorting mirror is deceiving us about the gravity of the situation...

(Civil) analysis & contextual answers boosted & thanks in advance for sharing.

#USPol #Trump #InsurectionAct

From this side of the Atlantic (the UK side) it looks like the US is slipping towards civil war, goaded on by a President wanting to invoke the Insurrection Act as a way of militarising his political power.

I'd be interested if followers of these posts in the US think the same or whether the media's distorting mirror is deceiving us about the gravity of the situation...

(Civil) analysis & contextual answers boosted & thanks in advance for sharing.

#USPol #Trump #InsurectionAct

From this side of the Atlantic (the UK side) it looks like the US is slipping towards civil war, goaded on by a President wanting to invoke the Insurrection Act as a way of militarising his political power.

I'd be interested if followers of these posts in the US think the same or whether the media's distorting mirror is deceiving us about the gravity of the situation...

(Civil) analysis & contextual answers boosted & thanks in advance for sharing.

#USPol #Trump #InsurectionAct

@2legged
I am referring to the Trump vs United States from 2024. Here is a discussion about it;
https://www.scu.edu/government-ethics/resources/trump-v-united-states-and-the-ethics-of-presidential-immunity

@Mschatelaine @alex_p_roe @EvelineSulman @Mattrog @ChrisMayLA6

@ChrisMayLA6 I read a piece some time ago saying that the second US civil war won't be armies and set-piece battles, it will be more like the Troubles in Northern Ireland, and the Irish independence fight before that: death squads at midnight, car bombs, kneecapping. Things are developing right along that trajectory at the moment. It's going to get worse before it gets better. Sorry.

@ChrisMayLA6 @lukeryanps I think we will be very fortunate if there are elections this year, and too many people are still clinging to that as of things are normal

@Stevenheywood @2legged @Mschatelaine @alex_p_roe @EvelineSulman @Mattrog @ChrisMayLA6

This is the truth. People have to stop pretending, and to realize that between nations, there can only be force or the threat of force.

Should they so choose, there can of course be cooperation, but at the end of the day, there is a reason we call them sovereign nations.

Become a political realist, and gain the benefit of not being particularly surprised at how Trump is acting or what he is doing.

Add to that, the realization that he is a business man, and you will no longer be surprised by anything he does, and you will easily be able to predict what he will do.

@ChrisMayLA6

Into the unknown both hope and fear reside.

As a 3rd generation American, LGBTQ, person of color living in the very rural part of the likely bluest state, I don't experience the US as on the precipice of Civil War. However, I am not so sanguine that we won't end up there, anything is possible.

The US is a massive nation. I grew up on the farthest West state, Hawai'i, the newest state in the Union, and now live in one of the original and oldest states - Massachusetts. There are MAGA here, but they are outnumbered. Massachusetts is very blue. But because we are so geographically isolated, to survive, our local culture is a balance of self-sufficiency and interdependence both Blue and Red. Armed conflict would be an irrevocable breach of rural local identity. And because we are rural, lots of folks hunt and have guns, even Democrats. So if this devolves into armed conflict rural Blue New England won't go without a fight.

There are lots of serial flashpoints, and those get media, which is what you see overseas. But know this is Trump's standard - one flashpoint at a time, so far. Trump does not appear to have the troops, organization, discipline or ability to manage a national civil war. And no other fascist ambitious current MAGA leader has the engendered cult loyalty and charisma to trigger and win a Civil War.

I actually believe the opposite about Trump's power - I believe he peaked on July 4 2025 with his substantial budget bill destruction of significant parts of the US (w Congressional MAGA complicity) and his greatest win has actually triggered his downhill slide and he's is angry, desperate, in denial, fuminating and at his most chaotic dangerous recklessness as he tries to erase the inevitable fate that he is seeing awaits him. But time, gravity, and history are now his inescapable enemies. He will get worse, and his minions worsen, but he's no longer inevitable. You can see it in the those polls on his cratering popularity, and on the MAGA who are abandoning their Congressional seats. Corporate media here and over there are both trailing, not leading, indicators. They missed the trends that brought Trump to power, they are missing the trends that signal his end.

From this side of the Atlantic (the UK side) it looks like the US is slipping towards civil war, goaded on by a President wanting to invoke the Insurrection Act as a way of militarising his political power.

I'd be interested if followers of these posts in the US think the same or whether the media's distorting mirror is deceiving us about the gravity of the situation...

(Civil) analysis & contextual answers boosted & thanks in advance for sharing.

#USPol #Trump #InsurectionAct

@ChrisMayLA6 The media distortion is very real. US will self-correct in the next election cycle, but my primary fear is that China and Russia will not let this opportunity slip away. The US/world has never been more vulnerable. I think the Taiwan and Baltic escalations will be after the US elections, like in late November or December. NATO will be sans US by then, but Europe can handle Russia.

@h4890 @Stevenheywood @2legged @Mschatelaine @alex_p_roe @EvelineSulman @Mattrog

One of the reasons Political Realism in International Relations (the discipline) remains attractive is exactly this issue; in the end there is always power politics... but the reasons other approaches also gained ground & continue to appeal, is that Realism is a very thin description of what actually happens from day to day in the global sphere - the most compelling approaches combine both views

@ChrisMayLA6 i think @AnarchoNinaWrites was right, it wont be a civil war as that implies branches of civil government in armed struggle. More than likely it'll be some form of militarised crackdown with an insurgency resisting.

Realistically that detail is by-the-by, the angling is clear for the insurrection act, and some form of armed crackdown on civil liberties will likely follow. Perhaps a war in greenland to keep powerful members of the armed forces busy while this is ongoing, with a view to the trump dynasty fleeing to Qatar in the event things look dire.

@ChrisMayLA6

Into the unknown both hope and fear reside.

As a 3rd generation American, LGBTQ, person of color living in the very rural part of the likely bluest state, I don't experience the US as on the precipice of Civil War. However, I am not so sanguine that we won't end up there, anything is possible.

The US is a massive nation. I grew up on the farthest West state, Hawai'i, the newest state in the Union, and now live in one of the original and oldest states - Massachusetts. There are MAGA here, but they are outnumbered. Massachusetts is very blue. But because we are so geographically isolated, to survive, our local culture is a balance of self-sufficiency and interdependence both Blue and Red. Armed conflict would be an irrevocable breach of rural local identity. And because we are rural, lots of folks hunt and have guns, even Democrats. So if this devolves into armed conflict rural Blue New England won't go without a fight.

There are lots of serial flashpoints, and those get media, which is what you see overseas. But know this is Trump's standard - one flashpoint at a time, so far. Trump does not appear to have the troops, organization, discipline or ability to manage a national civil war. And no other fascist ambitious current MAGA leader has the engendered cult loyalty and charisma to trigger and win a Civil War.

I actually believe the opposite about Trump's power - I believe he peaked on July 4 2025 with his substantial budget bill destruction of significant parts of the US (w Congressional MAGA complicity) and his greatest win has actually triggered his downhill slide and he's is angry, desperate, in denial, fuminating and at his most chaotic dangerous recklessness as he tries to erase the inevitable fate that he is seeing awaits him. But time, gravity, and history are now his inescapable enemies. He will get worse, and his minions worsen, but he's no longer inevitable. You can see it in the those polls on his cratering popularity, and on the MAGA who are abandoning their Congressional seats. Corporate media here and over there are both trailing, not leading, indicators. They missed the trends that brought Trump to power, they are missing the trends that signal his end.

@Crowsinger @ChrisMayLA6 @lukeryanps People say 'Trump can't cancel elections, it's against the law', forgetting that Trump is a terrorist, who doesn't care about the law. He'll cheat as much as anyone has ever cheated before, even if it means staging another bloody-coup.

From this side of the Atlantic (the UK side) it looks like the US is slipping towards civil war, goaded on by a President wanting to invoke the Insurrection Act as a way of militarising his political power.

I'd be interested if followers of these posts in the US think the same or whether the media's distorting mirror is deceiving us about the gravity of the situation...

(Civil) analysis & contextual answers boosted & thanks in advance for sharing.

#USPol #Trump #InsurectionAct