Historians will, I predict, regard the current situation as the American Civil War II.

@cmthiede I keep running scenarios through my head that make ranked choice voting terribly unclear.

Let's say we have five candidates. C1 and C2 get 33% first round votes. C3, C4, and C5 all get 11%. Now in Round 2, C4 got 40%, but C3-5 were eliminated, yet round 1 and 2 give C4 a majority. But some of those votes come from C1 and C2.

I don't see how it works. I'm consistently confused by the logic.

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@cmthiede I keep running scenarios through my head that make ranked choice voting terribly unclear.

Let's say we have five candidates. C1 and C2 get 33% first round votes. C3, C4, and C5 all get 11%. Now in Round 2, C4 got 40%, but C3-5 were eliminated, yet round 1 and 2 give C4 a majority. But some of those votes come from C1 and C2.

I don't see how it works. I'm consistently confused by the logic.

@msbellows @heidilifeldman @mastoreaderio

@cmthiede I keep running scenarios through my head that make ranked choice voting terribly unclear.

Let's say we have five candidates. C1 and C2 get 33% first round votes. C3, C4, and C5 all get 11%. Now in Round 2, C4 got 40%, but C3-5 were eliminated, yet round 1 and 2 give C4 a majority. But some of those votes come from C1 and C2.

I don't see how it works. I'm consistently confused by the logic.

@msbellows @heidilifeldman @mastoreaderio

@cmthiede I keep running scenarios through my head that make ranked choice voting terribly unclear.

Let's say we have five candidates. C1 and C2 get 33% first round votes. C3, C4, and C5 all get 11%. Now in Round 2, C4 got 40%, but C3-5 were eliminated, yet round 1 and 2 give C4 a majority. But some of those votes come from C1 and C2.

I don't see how it works. I'm consistently confused by the logic.

@msbellows @heidilifeldman @mastoreaderio

Historians will, I predict, regard the current situation as the American Civil War II. Certainly we are in a civil war, instigated by the federal government, when it began sending unnecessary and militarized forces into American cities. (See pinned post.) 1/

@RegGuy @cmthiede @msbellows @heidilifeldman @mastoreaderio only one candidate gets eliminated at a time. So in your example assuming c3 c4 c5 weren't exactly the same let's say 11.3% 11.4% 11.5% so c3 gets eliminated. His 11.3% is allocated however the voters wanted. Some to each of c1, c2, c4 and c5. Then repeat for new lowest ranked.

Not sure what would happen in a draw where two lowest candidates have exactly same number. I'm sure it's covered in the Australian system. Possibly a coin toss. But very unlikely to have exactly the same number of votes.

@heidilifeldman I wonder if there is a more precise term than civil war, where one or more groups of citizens are at war with each other.

This situation, when the government is waging war with one group of citizens (supposedly) on behalf of another, may not have a commonly used term to accurately describe it.

I think it's an important distinction, because Americans are not fighting Americans, even if some in government would love to change that. We shouldn't help them normalize the idea.

@heidilifeldman

These are the people who bought an election for MAGA...

They are responsible for what Trump's done to America.

We need to know the identity of every donor.

1. SpaceX $288,723,409
2. Adelson Clinic/Miriam Adelson $146,881,700
3. Uline Inc $146,027,201
4. Citadel LLC $108,669,316
5. Susquehanna International Group $101,468,362
6. Andreessen Horowitz $89,036,553
7. Empower Parents PAC $82,500,000
8. Coinbase $79,008,020
9. Elliott Management $68,846,510

2/

No more faceless, nameless billionaires buying the destruction of democracy & the planet.

10. Securing American Greatness $67,558,284
11. Senate Leadership Fund $67,445,300
12. Club for Growth $59,846,594
13. Koch Inc $49,092,685
14. Blackstone Group $48,609,890
15.  Stand Together Chamber of Commerce $44,801,948
16. Restoration PAC $41,168,363
17. Crownquest Operating $35,752,512
18. Bigelow Aerospace $34,991,590
19. Building America's Future $33,670,000
20. Stephens Inc $27,343,518

3/

Funders of fascism.

21. British American Tobacco $26,175,838
22. American Prosperity Alliance $22,549,000
23. Manzanita Management Group $22,159,143
24. America First Action/America First Policies $21,724,798
25. Mountaire Corp $21,375,080
26. Reyes Holdings $21,192,607
27. Energy Transfer LP $19,321,695
28. Hendricks Holding Co $19,306,538

https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/top-organizations

1. Elon Musk $291,482,587
2. Timothy Mellon $197,047,200
3. Miriam Adelson $148,304,900
4. Richard Uihlein $143,498,936